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Old 04-07-2017, 03:12 PM   #1
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Glenn Greenwald is the greatest journalist of our time

Latest from Glenn @TheIntercept:

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/...bombing-syria/

Every single point in this article is correct, insightful, well-written, carefully thought out, and doesn't use one sentence to pander to anyone for clicks, advertisers, or a political base.

Glenn Greenwald has made a name for himself as one of the top journalists of all time.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:20 PM   #2
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:21 PM   #3
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You suck at making posts. And, no, Greenwald isn't the GOAT.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:30 PM   #4
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Journalism is finding new information and presenting it to the public. Repeating the same take a hundred times and backing it up with Google isn't journalism. Snowden was journalism, but that is a small minority of GGs work.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:32 PM   #5
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Journalism also is good when people drop their biases and Greenwald can't do that.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:41 PM   #6
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I appreciate that he exists, but he's not too good at what he does. He tends to be hyperbolic and long-winded. He would benefit bigly from an editor.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:45 PM   #7
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This is a stupid thread with a bad OP, but obviously I have to weigh in on some things here:

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Journalism is finding new information and presenting it to the public. Repeating the same take a hundred times and backing it up with Google isn't journalism. Snowden was journalism, but that is a small minority of GGs work.
This is probably true but also needs to be extended equally to everyone who has a show on network or cable news, a group that the public widely considers to be "journalists" also.

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Journalism also is good when people drop their biases
One of history's most revered journalists, Walter Cronkite, is quite famous for his Vietnam War opposition. Edward Murrow strongly opposed Joseph McCarthy. Your statement itself isn't wrong, but your implication and attack on Greenwald here (that journalism can't be good with bias or opinion) is totally false.
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OP, you should use the search feature to find the string "Greenwald" on this forum. We have already debated his merits and shortcomings ad nauseum.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:49 PM   #9
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And to add to the above...

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Journalism also is good when people drop their biases and Greenwald can't do that.
This is (iirc) the first article that came out of the Snowden leaks and has the same dispassionate, objective tone one would expect to read in the New York Times. The idea that Greenwald is incapable of removing his biases from his writing is also incorrect.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:54 PM   #10
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Paul D is mad that a liberal wouldn't waste their time and print making endless excuses for his scummy candidate.
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At the Guardian, he would have an editor there to rein him in, though.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:01 PM   #12
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Paul D is mad that a liberal wouldn't waste their time and print making endless excuses for his scummy candidate.
My contempt for Greenwald predates Clinton's candidacy. Try again.

Goofy and you are fanboys. Good for you two. Others of us can see a Greenwald article and tell you roughly how the tone will be. The dude is predictable. If you think that's good journalism you should adjust those rose tinted glasses you're wearing.
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One of history's most revered journalists, Walter Cronkite, is quite famous for his Vietnam War opposition. Edward Murrow strongly opposed Joseph McCarthy. Your statement itself isn't wrong, but your implication and attack on Greenwald here (that journalism can't be good with bias or opinion) is totally false.
There is a place for strictly facts based reporting, like wire services-- even though they have veered away from that in recent years-- but otherwise, everyone has an agenda. The key is to be intelligent, critical, fair, and intellectually honest in your reporting. Glenn does that. It's the exact opposite of the trash hooliganism and propaganda that makes for mainstream media these days.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:04 PM   #14
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Greenwald talks about important **** that no one else will touch, longwinded is fine by me
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:04 PM   #15
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The dude was on RT for awhile. You know the propaganda trash hooliganism mainstream media.

LOL Shuffle. Not a critical thought in your head.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:08 PM   #16
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Can't wait for Glenn to do really important work like tell us how bad the Carter administration was. Speak that truth to power.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:16 PM   #17
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Love the boldness; great thread title.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:18 PM   #18
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Others of us can see a Greenwald article and tell you roughly how the tone will be. The dude is predictable.
Is being unpredictable a value journalists should (and do) strive for? Once again your criticism appears to completely miss the mark.
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To be fair, this Greenwald article is pretty good. A few straw men in there, but he makes some solid points.

The problem is that most Americans want the president to have broad war-making powers, or they just don't care very much.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:21 PM   #20
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At the Guardian, he would have an editor there to rein him in, though.
Many of his Guardian articles (example) read the same as his Intercept articles do now. He's capable of shifting gears and tone as the situation warrants, and I don't think that should seem like a very controversial idea.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:42 PM   #21
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The problem is that most Americans want the president to have broad war-making powers, or they just don't care very much.
Our white ancestors came over here and murdered all the natives and stole their stuff. Natural selection has created our warmongering national identity, and it's in our DNA to go over to other parts of the world and kill their people and steal their resources as well.
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Saying that he's capable of shifting gears according to the situation makes it sound like that is something he does well or appropriately. He doesn't. When he says the Atlantic is spreading fake news, and his evidence for this is a four word tweet from David Frum, he is showing that while he is perhaps physically able to adjust his tone to the content of his article, he has no interest in doing so.

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When he says the journalistic institutions like the Atlantic are spreading fake news, and his evidence for this is a four word tweet from David Frum, he is showing that while he is perhaps physically able to adjust his tone to the content of his article, he is not interested in doing so.
That's fair! I don't think he's perfect, I'm just correcting Paul D's hyperbolic falsehoods trying to paint him as incapable of doing so. You're correct that he is rarely interested in projecting a sense of unbiasedness, and if you're curious why then this anti-Trump article lays out some of the reasons.
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Our white ancestors came over here and murdered all the natives and stole their stuff. Natural selection has created our warmongering national identity, and it's in our DNA to go over to other parts of the world and kill their people and steal their resources as well.
lol. Science!
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:59 PM   #25
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That's fair! I don't think he's perfect, I'm just correcting Paul D's hyperbolic falsehoods trying to paint him as incapable of doing so. You're correct that he is rarely interested in projecting a sense of unbiasedness, and if you're curious why then this anti-Trump article lays out some of the reasons.
Lol, c'mon dude, you refuse to ever take a critical look at your hero. Name something he has written you have disagreed with. I like Krugman, but I take the guy for what he is worth. Greenwald is similar to Krugman in regards.

Normally you seem fair. But when it comes to Greenwald, he just can't do no wrong in your eyes.
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