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09-22-2018 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
An easy way to identify the people who do not argue in good faith is to look for people who levy personal attacks.


A good faith arguer instead identifies the premises and conclusion of his opponent. Then attacks either the truth of the premises or the logic from which the conclusion is derived.
Bad premis. Sometimes pieces of **** need to be informed they are pieces of ****. FYI, no need to be skeptical when you read what I think about people who find excuses to attack sexual assault victims. I think they are pieces of ****.
09-22-2018 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
Everything I read I do so with a bit of skepticism.
so you see a woman saying, "yeah i'll testify but i want more witnesses there and i want a professional independent investigation done by the fbi" and a group of men saying "no investigation, no witnesses, accept our terms in the next 2 hours or we rush through on this lifetime appointment"

and you take the side of that group of men? what kind of weirdass skeptic are you?
09-22-2018 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hahahahahahahaha this guy comes in here talking about credibility and **** and then cites this woman

LOL
My credibility, or the credibility of USA today, has nothing to do with argument that the left wing has lost credibility by adopting or at least tolerating a "by an means necessary" attitude.
09-22-2018 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
so you see a woman saying, "yeah i'll testify but i want more witnesses there and i want a professional independent investigation done by the fbi" and a group of men saying "no investigation, no witnesses, make a decision in the next 2 hours or we rush through on this lifetime appointment"

and you skeptically accept that group of men? what kind of weirdass skeptic are you?
I am skeptical of the republicans and Ford. Why is that wrong in your opinion?
09-22-2018 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
My credibility, or the credibility of USA today, has nothing to do with argument that the left wing has lost credibility by adopting or at least tolerating a "by an means necessary" attitude.
Yes it does. Your evidence for that argument is yourself:

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Originally Posted by Simulated
Ten years ago I might have thought this, but today I would say the chances are at least "significant" she is lying. In my goings on over the last 10 years or so I have heard on more than one occasion left wing colleagues make remarks like "By whatever means necessary" or "Whatever it takes". I took those remarks to mean the are certainly willing to play dirty or at least look the other way when dirty tricks are employed on behalf of ideology they hold.
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Originally Posted by Simulated
An honest answer from me is that I believe a leftwinger today is much more likely to level a false accusation for ideology because of the vibe left wing people I know give off today that was barely there 10 years ago and non existent 20 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Simulated
Now you're accepted from what I can tell by virtually all of the left wing.
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Originally Posted by Simulated
Its growing. I see it growing and I have to consider it into my calculus
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Originally Posted by Simulated
I find Ford's accusation less believable today than I would if this event was happening in 1991.
Your whole argument is "me, me, some stories I totally didn't make up, me me me". And you're the kind of dumbass who cites bible-thumpers, so it seems like a pretty poor argument lacking in credibility!
09-22-2018 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
According to the therapy notes four boys assaulted her and Kavanaugh was not mentioned by name. Today it is two boys who assaulted her who are mentioned by name.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1346536002/



If she was near black out drunk too, how likely is it that her memory is compromised?
It only took 15 posts for us to figure out that you are a real piece of garbage.

In the next few days, the right will move from she is mistaken, to she is lying, to he never actually touched her, to he was drunk and young and made a mistake, to women need to shut the **** up and serve men. That's how they operate and that's how they think of women. You are no different from them. **** off.
09-22-2018 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
the left wing has lost credibility by adopting or at least tolerating a "by an means necessary" attitude.
I actually agree with this point. Wanting to check whether someone's a lying rapist before confirming them to a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is a bridge too far.
09-22-2018 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
I am skeptical of the republicans and Ford. Why is that wrong in your opinion?
only one side is advocating an independent investigation. does that factor in to your objective analysis? or do you think she's so high on leftism she doesn't care if the fbi busts her for making a false accusation thereby wrecking her credibility nationwide probably for the rest of her life?

like bernie sanders is charles manson and he brainwashed her through slick social media posts to do a kamikaze mission
09-22-2018 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Your whole argument is "me, me, some stories I totally didn't make up, me me me". And you're the kind of dumbass who cites bible-thumpers, so it seems like a pretty poor argument lacking in credibility!
Its true that I am using my own life experience to justify my premises. If, in your experience, a left winger is incapable of lying for ideology, then you would find my argument not very persuasive.

If you agree that some left wingers would lie for ideology if they had the opportunity, it is fair for me to ask you if that number, as a precentage of the whole, has increased or decreased in the last 10 or 20 years.

I think its increased because I see the left adopting a mindset that it is okay to play dirty if its for a good cause.
09-22-2018 , 01:27 AM
It's a fun game to guess "which poster thinks making a new account on a Friday to troll 2p2 is my idea of a fun time" but you don't all have to fall for it.

I do love the shift from "the left is all pussies/hippies/dumb art students" to "be scared of the left, antifa and they will never stop before America is Venezuela" rebranding that people like simulated who buy brain pills from infowars has helped massage as their message.
09-22-2018 , 01:28 AM
ScreaminAsian, I have two words for you. Rigged witch hunt.
09-22-2018 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
only one side is advocating an independent investigation. does that factor in to your objective analysis? or do you think she's so high on leftism she doesn't care if the fbi busts her for making a false accusation thereby wrecking her credibility nationwide probably for the rest of her life?

like bernie sanders is charles manson and he brainwashed her through slick social media posts to do a kamikaze mission
Only one side sat on this and kept it hidden during the investigative stage of the process. Doesn't that bother you? If it doesn't, its an example of the exact underhanded behavior I am referring too that the left seems so willing to embrace now. You guys have become the douche bag republicans. Your like the pigs in Animal Farm who end up walking on two legs.
09-22-2018 , 01:34 AM
An easy way to identify the people who do not argue in good faith is to look for people who levy personal attacks.

lol @ you, you ****ing idiot. You're trolling about an attempted rape, of course you're going to get personal attacks. Justified. Eat a toadstool.
09-22-2018 , 01:35 AM
This seems about right, except ofc we don't know what happens if she testifies. GOP is exerting the same kind of pressure that abusers use on their victims. They're trying to make her feel powerless so that she won't act. But #MeToo has shown that tactic doesn't always work.


https://twitter.com/AJentleson/statu...57308800131072
09-22-2018 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
Only one side sat on this and kept it hidden during the investigative stage of the process. Doesn't that bother you? If it doesn't, its an example of the exact underhanded behavior I am referring too that the left seems so willing to embrace now. You guys have become the douche bag republicans. Your like the pigs in Animal Farm who end up walking on two legs.
granting a lifetime appointment to a potential rapist without giving a **** or even investigating

vs

waiting 2 weeks and doing an independent investigation. republicans are still going to be in power 2 weeks from now. they could withdraw kavanaugh and appoint merrick garland the dude would be confirmed 99-0 before january

republicans delayed hearings for a supreme court justice for a year and his only crime was he was too moderate and they thought they could get a better deal or if hillary had won, their plan was to hold the court at 8 for as long as they could
09-22-2018 , 01:41 AM
Simulated is so mad about the lack of transparency the Democrats (lol) are engaging in that he made an alternate account yesterday to troll us about such!

Republicans knew about his sexual abuse past, that's why his whole rollout was based on how good he was with girls! They didnt bother to do that **** with Gorsuch! They also know who gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay off his debts, but we wont be told that.
09-22-2018 , 01:43 AM
That's totally a text btw
09-22-2018 , 01:49 AM
the sim keeps sending derps to clear the ever-rising bar of deplorable inanity. like a herd of buffalo cresting a cliff, what are we going to do with all that meat?
09-22-2018 , 02:03 AM
I don't think we're far off from vigilantes just murdering deplorable *******s. How many actual lives has Donny T cost already?
09-22-2018 , 02:18 AM
I can't believe that when Team Kavanaugh workshopped the denial of this allegation, what we've seen is the best they could come up with. There are all sorts of better lies he could have told. If the attempted rape is not sufficient to prevent his confirmation maybe the fact that he is an idiot should be factored in too.

Kavanaugh may not have full control (or really any control) of the machine, but it should have been obvious that the strategy they've used is terrible and he should have come up with a better lie on his own.
09-22-2018 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
republicans delayed hearings for a supreme court justice for a year and his only crime was he was too moderate and they thought they could get a better deal or if hillary had won, their plan was to hold the court at 8 for as long as they could
That was a dick move on the republicans part. Garland at least deserved a vote.

It has nothing to do with my argument that, "by any means necessary" attitude that is becoming more and more popular among the lefties hurts Ford.
09-22-2018 , 02:26 AM
Not a single person believes you actually trust Ford less because of the emerging “by any means necessary” attitude of lefties. The emergence of the right being disingenuous and full of **** all the time really hurt you there.
09-22-2018 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
This seems about right, except ofc we don't know what happens if she testifies. GOP is exerting the same kind of pressure that abusers use on their victims. They're trying to make her feel powerless so that she won't act. But #MeToo has shown that tactic doesn't always work.


https://twitter.com/AJentleson/statu...57308800131072
I disagree. The sooner Ford testifies the better it is for the GOP because then they can decide to ditch Kavanaugh or ralley behind him.

Feinstein and Ford are dragging this out intentionally in my opinion.
09-22-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Not a single person believes you actually trust Ford less because of the emerging “by any means necessary” attitude of lefties. The emergence of the right being disingenuous and full of **** all the time really hurt you there.
Its not just Ford. I trust the entire left wing less because of this attitude the left is embracing or at least tolerating.

Sklansky thought there was only a tiny chance Ford is making this up. In the past I would agree with him but not today. I think there is a substantial chance she is making this up. The reason I move from tiny to substantial is many on the left have embraced a slogan tantamount to "We will lie cheat and steal to push our ideology", and as far as I can tell the more sane elements of the left refuse to condemn the radical elements. There is a reasonable chance she is a left wing whack job who would lie to block a nomination of someone who does not share her ideology.
09-22-2018 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Simulated
Says the left winger who's location is "obstruct everything". 20 years ago you'd be a freak in the left wing. Nobody except maybe your mom would have anything to do with you. Now you're accepted from what I can tell by virtually all of the left wing.

If you can have the "obstruct everything" attitude why can't Ford?
The entire Republican Party is now operating on the premise of "obstruct everything" when they don't have the majorities/White House, and on the premise of "by any means necessary - blow up the norms" when they do. The GOP gave us the "party of no," blocked Obama's judicial nominees as much as possible, refused to even hold hearings on Garland even though he was moderate and Scalia died almost a year before Obama's turn ended... Then they came back with blowing up filibusters, using reconciliation to try to take apart the ACA, slamming Gorsuch through without the filibuster and now trying to slam Kavanaugh through to lock in a long-term majority on SCOTUS that was only made possible by literally stealing an appointment from Obama through obstruction.

Anybody paying any attention to politics who has any semblance of an ability to process information logically knows that the GOP is the party of absurd obstruction and erosion of norms. That's why people are telling you to **** off with your "obstruct everything" whining.

The entire reason the left now wants to obstruct and fight dirtier is because the right is doing it at every opportunity, so the options are to return fire or guarantee long-term/permanent defeat. And no, Ford is not lying. The odds that she is are EXTREMELY low. We can figure this out based on the GOP's response/strategy to her allegations. They've been caught lying in their defense of Kavanaugh a few times already... and oh, by the way, he's lied under oath before.

That in and of itself ought to be disqualifying.

      
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