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09-26-2018 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
I disagree. Sometimes a non answer or evasiveness has an imoact on credibility and, as he is an accused accomplice with no SOL, he may have to take the 5th on advice of counsel.
There would be enormous value if Judge were to take the 5th. But the far more likely scenario is that he would just lie. No one is at real risk of prosecution here, either for perjury or sexual assault. (I'm making a practical observation, not opining on whether anyone should be at risk of prosecution.)
09-26-2018 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Yep. Not sure why Avenatti gets credit for this woman being willing to come forward. She is the story, not him.
If he found her, he gets credit for discovering this. If she came to him there's a reason she went to him and not someone else, and he certainly deserves credit for that too.
09-26-2018 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RunyonAve
Fine, you're right, there's nobody that's going to vote any different.

Unfortunately, we end up in the same place that we're still going to lose scotus and have a 5-4 court for decades to come unless Dems nut up and do something outside of the normal playbook, which they've shown no desire to ever entertain. They're going to win both houses back and then say it's time to return to "normal order".
i'm not ok with having a literal rapist on the supreme court and i will celebrate any effort or progress toward preventing that. any fallout for republicans as a result of this colossal **** up is icing on the cake.

sorry that you like, feel differently about it or something. might wanna re-consider what position you're staking out here.
09-26-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
If he found her, he gets credit for discovering this. If she came to him there's a reason she went to him and not someone else, and he certainly deserves credit for that too.
Might be easier to come forward though him knowing that he will soak up much of the media attention, scrutiny, attacks, death threats, etc. that might normally be reserved for the accuser.
09-26-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Aventti did a good job with the affidavit, as she has the ability to provide additional details without contradicting her own words. It does not say she was unconscious, she claims to have been incapacitated and unable to fight off the attackers. She does not specifically claim Kav raped her. She did not specifically name her attackers, her witnesses or the other victims or boys she saw the same thing happen to. There is still plenty of canvas to paint in oral testimony.
He probably raped her. Even if he didn't though - do you think that a person who is part of a gang rape club, who participates in and encourages the overall behavior even if he doesn't himself vaginally penetrate her, who never recants such behavior and instead lies about it to this day - do you think such a person should be on the Supreme Court of the United States?
09-26-2018 , 12:14 PM
As gross as it is, I don't think the behavior described by these women was that uncommon during the 1980s. I went to high school in the 1980s. I definitely remember hearing about two instances in which a "train" was run on a high school girl. I wasn't present for either incident, and I wasn't close to any of the people involved, but everyone knew. In one case, I can remember the name of the girl and one of the guys, and the girl was either totally unconscious or close to it. In the other case, I only remember the name of one of the guys and I don't know what state the girl was in.

But even in the 1980s, it was super obvious to me that (i) I didn't want to be involved in that sort of thing; and (ii) it was really wrong.

Last edited by Rococo; 09-26-2018 at 12:27 PM.
09-26-2018 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol all you avenatti haters itt can EAD
Yea the dude delivers. No idea why he gets hate. So he's a showman. Big ****ing deal. We got a turd in the office that needs to be flushed.
09-26-2018 , 12:18 PM
noob Q

if this kav bloke gets the boot cos rapey and the repubs cant get someone else through the process before the midterms, and then the dems take the house but gop keeps the senate as seems likely according to der markt, can the gop still ram through their candidate of choice without dem votes?
09-26-2018 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
If he found her, he gets credit for discovering this. If she came to him there's a reason she went to him and not someone else, and he certainly deserves credit for that too.
I highly doubt that he found her. The much more likely scenario is that she called him because he is a public figure who is adverse to Trump.

I want what Avenatti wants. I just don't trust him to exercise good judgment and I don't think he is any kind of super genius.
09-26-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
noob Q

if this kav bloke gets the boot cos rapey and the repubs cant get someone else through the process before the midterms, and then the dems take the house but gop keeps the senate as seems likely according to der markt, can the gop still ram through their candidate of choice without dem votes?
House flipping blue is irrelevant. House has no role in confirming SCOTUS appointees.
09-26-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
noob Q

if this kav bloke gets the boot cos rapey and the repubs cant get someone else through the process before the midterms, and then the dems take the house but gop keeps the senate as seems likely according to der markt, can the gop still ram through their candidate of choice without dem votes?
Yes. Also I believe they can ram someone during the lame duck session even if they get clobbered at midterms.
09-26-2018 , 12:21 PM
"I drank beer with friends, usually on weekends. Sometimes I had too many. In retrospect I said and did things in high school that make me cringe now."



https://twitter.com/senjudiciary/sta...78358206038016
09-26-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Guess we’re never going to get to the bottom of the baseball ticket thing.
You know I've been on the INVESTIGATE THE NATS TICKETS THIS IS INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS bandwagon since Day 1, but honest to goodness as Kavanaugh is revealed to be a probable serial sexual predator and huge creep, I feel like we've never been closer to the real answer as to whatever Kavanaugh did to get him into all that debt chalked up to baseball tickets.
09-26-2018 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Cue the GOP talking point machine: the 80s were a different time, Quaaludes were in vogue, what boy didn't drug and rape his high school classmates, have you ever seen Revenge of the Nerds
Revenge of the Nerds looking like a documentary made by one of Kavanaugh's classmates. The late 70s, early 80s were a crazy time. However, HS experience depicted in Dazed and Confused seems much more typical. Kavanaugh's experience seems more characteristic of entitled reprobates. It's "normal" as seen through a funhouse mirror.
09-26-2018 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Yea the dude delivers. No idea why he gets hate. So he's a showman. Big ****ing deal. We got a turd in the office that needs to be flushed.
I will freely admit that aversion to Avenatti is partly a product of my aversion to Trump's narcissism and constant need to be in the media.
09-26-2018 , 12:27 PM
So his prepared testimony directly contradicts the Fox interview?

lol
09-26-2018 , 12:28 PM
Gonna laugh at him in three weeks or whatever IF (and a big if) he has to withdraw his nomination and step down from his current position too.

All you had to do was withdraw after Ford came out, but you were too ****ing arrogant. What a prick.
09-26-2018 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
You know I've been on the INVESTIGATE THE NATS TICKETS THIS IS INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS bandwagon since Day 1, but honest to goodness as Kavanaugh is revealed to be a probable serial sexual predator and huge creep, I feel like we've never been closer to the real answer as to whatever Kavanaugh did to get him into all that debt chalked up to baseball tickets.
Anyone checked to see if Mark Judge has received any suspiciously large checks from Kav?
09-26-2018 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Gonna laugh at him in three weeks or whatever IF (and a big if) he has to withdraw his nomination and step down from his current position too.

All you had to do was withdraw after Ford came out, but you were too ****ing arrogant. What a prick.
Why try and run the gauntlet at all if you have this many skeletons in your closet? This isn't 1975. You have to know this stuff is going to come out.
09-26-2018 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I highly doubt that he found her. The much more likely scenario is that she called him because he is a public figure who is adverse to Trump.

I want what Avenatti wants. I just don't trust him to exercise good judgment and I don't think he is any kind of super genius.
lol the guy has literally done nothing but exercise relatively elite judgment in the political setting so far and has caused max damage/pain to all of the intended targets, including playing a major role in taking down michael ****ing cohen of all people

but yea, you dont "trust" him. cool story bro

this is why liberals will always be conservatives' doormats in america. you just let them walk all over you without ever fighting back. guy shows up game to fight and you're all "mmm idk guys, what about the discourse? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE NORMS THO
09-26-2018 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Why try and run the gauntlet at all if you have this many skeletons in your closet? This isn't 1975. You have to know this stuff is going to come out.
come on man you know damn well why he did what he did
09-26-2018 , 12:37 PM
he should smile more
09-26-2018 , 12:37 PM
In the movie Animal House (1978), there is a scene in which a guy with an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other shoulder is trying to decide whether to have sex with an unconscious high school girl. I bet we could find 10 similar pop culture references from that period.

Last edited by Rococo; 09-26-2018 at 12:43 PM.
09-26-2018 , 12:40 PM
i drank beer with my friends in high school, "usually" on weekends

totally focused on academics and church tho
09-26-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol the guy has literally done nothing but exercise relatively elite judgment in the political setting so far and has caused max damage/pain to all of the intended targets, including playing a major role in taking down michael ****ing cohen of all people

but yea, you dont "trust" him. cool story bro

this is why liberals will always be conservatives' doormats in america. you just let them walk all over you without ever fighting back. guy shows up game to fight and you're all "mmm idk guys, what about the discourse? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE NORMS THO
My aversion to Avenatti has absolutely nothing to do with norms. He has done some really questionable **** in the past, and he obviously craves attention. People with those two traits aren't typically the most reliable standard bearers.

But like I said, I share his goals, so I will be happy to be wrong.

      
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