Brett Kavanaugh - Interest & Discussion - Page 69 - Politics and Economics

That healthcare fiasco was the compromise. Plan A got struck down by Joe Lieberman. Kudos to R's for winning the narrative there though.

lol @ now being the most partisan, it's pretty much always been like this. Voters though definitely are since the 70's probably.

09-22-2018 , 10:58 PM

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kerowo

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Originally Posted by Nomadonfire79

Ive dealt with numerous background investigations Mr prosecutor. It's not an adversarial process. It is passive questions. It's nothing like a criminal investigation.

What a coincidence!

09-22-2018 , 11:13 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Nomadonfire79

Ive dealt with numerous background investigations Mr prosecutor. It's not an adversarial process. It is passive questions. It's nothing like a criminal investigation.

While this is true, it’s nontheless also true that lying to OPM during an interview is a federal crime.

09-22-2018 , 11:32 PM

#1704

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

And plan B was literally the Republicans' own plan.

A fact which of course they pretended like never happened - and people like renodoc are apparently genetically incapable of ever learning or knowing.

I've tried. You literally cannot ever get a conservative to understand or remember that the ACA is a carbon copy of Romneycare, which is an implementation of the plan created by the Heritage Foundation to be the Republican counter-proposal to Hillarycare in 1994.

Seriously - here's an actual brainscan of renodoc reading this post:

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09-22-2018 , 11:40 PM

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So sounds like they found the other woman at the party and she's saying she doesn't remember ever meeting Kavanaugh or being at a party with him.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/polit...ion/index.html

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"Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford,"

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Ford's attorney Debra Katz dismissed the significance of the email because "she did not share her story publicly or with anyone for years following the incident with Judge Kavanaugh."

"It's not surprising that Ms. Keyser has no recollection of the evening as they did not discuss it. It's also unremarkable that Ms. Keyser does not remember attending a specific gathering 30 years ago at which nothing of consequence happened to her. Dr. Ford of course will never forget this gathering because of what happened to her there," Katz said.

09-22-2018 , 11:40 PM

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I remember. But I am a RINO now. Already resolved to vote straight Dem until GOP is shocked back to its senses.

Frankly what I think is happening is the Trump is realigning the political landscape pulling racist democrats into the GOP fold while pushing non-racist Republicans (who are basically homeless now) into Democrat leaning independents.

09-22-2018 , 11:43 PM

#1707

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

And plan B was literally the Republicans' own plan.

A fact which of course they pretended like never happened - and people like renodoc are apparently genetically incapable of ever learning or knowing.

I've tried. You literally cannot ever get a conservative to understand or remember that the ACA is a carbon copy of Romneycare, which is an implementation of the plan created by the Heritage Foundation to be the Republicans' counter-proposal to Hillarycare in 1994.

Seriously - here's an actual brainscan of renodoc reading this post:

What do you expect, they had 8 years under Obama to come up with a replacement health care plan and couldn't be bothered to do it. ****ing idiots.

09-22-2018 , 11:44 PM

#1708

renodoc

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

The **** are you talking about?

Yeah, well was it in "schoolhouse rock?"

Hmmmmm Smart Guy??

09-22-2018 , 11:46 PM

#1709

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

Nah, there used to be a spectrum of "conservative democrats" and "liberal republicans" The Venn diagram overlapped.

09-22-2018 , 11:47 PM

#1710

cfreaks

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Don't try to confuse the "conservatives" with facts.

09-22-2018 , 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomadonfire79

Nope. The enire purpose is to check trustworthiness. The invesigators gather info, and pass that to someone who objectively reviews it all (I know, an impossibility for a partisan congress, but they are the determination authority in this case) and make a determination on whether the person meets the standard for the position. There is probably any number of investigators who take part in a single background investigation, and all their findings go to the people who make the decisions, in this case the US Senate.

EDIT: The investigator does not make a determination. They just collect info for the people who do.

OK, so then what's the point of having a human do any of it? They could just send out some forms and have them filled out for everything. I imagine they use forms/written responses for some stuff. Why not just all of it?

09-22-2018 , 11:53 PM

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Nah, there used to be a spectrum of "conservative democrats" and "liberal republicans" The Venn diagram overlapped.

hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha

“Man the GOP controls everything and is bat**** crazy, why are democrats ruining America with their liberalism?”

09-22-2018 , 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by grizy

If Kansas (where my mom and stepdad live) somehow rejects Kobach for a dem, your theory will start holding some water imo.

My mom says she'll vote straight Democrat now. I have my doubts. But she also used to be liberal back in the day. So maybe muscle memory is there. She basically takes on whatever husband she's with.

Current husband is a super nice guy, standard suburban moderate who watches local news and maybe 30 min. of FoxNews a day and doesn't think too much about it except to vote. Hates Trump. But will probably still vote straight R.

09-22-2018 , 11:55 PM

#1714

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renodoc - do you understand that the ACA was originally a Republican idea and the blueprint for Romneycare?

09-23-2018 , 12:09 AM

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renodoc is making a mistake that's very common to physicians. They think knowing how to treat patients is the same as being able to think about healthcare policy and risk management.

09-23-2018 , 12:12 AM

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I love when I leave random comments I forget about that turn into two page dog pile-ups. I thought Reno was some guy in the Trump administration who must have said something stupid on Twitter.

09-23-2018 , 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nomadonfire79

To talk to the people who know the person undergoing the background investigation.

And why can't you just send these people written requests also?

Sure they could refuse to fill them out. But they can refuse to talk also.

Even if written is less likely to get done, it's still unclear why they need "investigators". They can just call them up and get some minimum wage employee to read some scripted questions.

It seems like a horribly inefficient system to send trained investigators out to essentially be scribes.

09-23-2018 , 12:17 AM

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So no opinions on the last unidentified person at the party coming forward and saying she doesn't remember it or ever meeting Kavanaugh?

I mean its pretty reasonable she wouldn't remember the party but I feel like this is going to give Republicans all the ammo they need to easily sweep this under the rug.

09-23-2018 , 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by goofball

renodoc is making a mistake that's very common to physicians. They think knowing how to treat patients is the same as being able to think about healthcare policy and risk management.

I hate to sound like I'm defending renodoc here as his recent posts are idiotic, and to be clear, I'm not. But that's a mistake everyone makes. The following is just as true:

XXX is making a mistake that's very common to patients. They think that their experiences as a patient qualify them to be able to think about healthcare policy and risk management.

09-23-2018 , 12:18 AM

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@Melkerson Also terrible way to measure "trustworthiness" or "fitness for a position." Especially if we're on the point of putting an attempted rapist on the SC for life.

09-23-2018 , 12:19 AM

#1721

OmgGlutten!

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So a random person who wasn’t raped at the party doesn’t remember it 36 years later?

Shows over folks.

09-23-2018 , 12:21 AM

#1722

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I guarantee that's the exact story, sans sarcasm, on chiefsplanet. I don't want to look because the doctor says blind rages are bad for my health.

09-23-2018 , 12:25 AM

#1723

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

I'm not sure common is the right word choice here. I mean, I'm sure it happens. But "my experience treating patients makes me more qualified than you to discuss obamacare / healthcare policy" is something you hear from docs all the time.

It's pretty rare in my experience for people to say that just because they've been a patient (as we all have). What's more common though, is for someone who works on healthcare policy for a living to reference their own personal healthcare experience as something that's been enlightening or deepened their understanding.

09-23-2018 , 12:28 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Doctors are as a class are mostly completely overprilviged assclowns —that’s one of the key takeaways from my time on 2p2. Some I assume are okay people , but they’re the minority.