Russia did a bit more than just encourage people to laugh at religious people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR...paign_(1928–41)

Nothing last forever. The western wold had its run, but maybe it just got too soft and lost its will to defend itself. Maybe it is time for China and the Islamic world to take over.

Well, i don't think my post really implied that but yeah, i think it's most likely that Russia was a brutal arse-hole of a place with religion, got rid of religion, and is now a brutal arse-hole of a place without religion.

And it's not even just believing nonsense; it's believing nonsense to the point that you'll kill or die for the nonsense.

Hollande calling it a 'terrorist attack'.

seems like it these days, it would be a massive tragedy tho

Lol, people thinking this is some portent to the eclipse of Western Civilization. Guys the Nazis had actual whole cities in the US following their program and celebrities talking about Nazism as something the US should adopt as the wave of the future. ISIS isn't some threat to Western civilization.

'Marginalization' is a trite euphemism for Soviet persecution of the church. Come out and advocate for that if you want to send Muslims to internment camps or an Alaskan gulag but too many of you seem to think violent Soviet oppressions were just lols on the internet and a stern lecture.

Russia is now again, since early Putin, very religious. It's hard to exactly capture it, some have bought back in fully but others remain agnostic but you have to be deferential to it. I'm guessing that a Sam Harris atheist type would get the Navalny (high profile dissident constantly jailed) treatment.

Remember these are the self-styled tough guys.

No way

Well ****

There was plenty of "stop the presses" Islamic terrorism in that period starting with the rise of the Wahabbis in the 1970s. However, the internet did not exist. Aleppo 1979, attempt to kill Sadat in Egypt 1980, Iran US Embassy takeover -1981, Lebanon Embassy bombing 1983, World Trade Center bombing 1993ish and a New Jersey attack thwarted maybe a year after, Khobar Towers in Saudi 1995 or 96. USS Cole. Probably a lot more. As to the drop of Islamic terrorism from 2008-11, probably because they were highly degraded from the US efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Stalin was right all along, who knew? We just need another Saddam obv.

Also you have to wonder at the collective dumbasses heaping praise on Putin, Saddam Hussein and Stalin's treatment of terrorists and Muslims ever even had a moment of self doubt, like 'what I about to say completely shameful idiocy?' or what.

I couldn't do a better job of showing how dumb and wrong you are than you just did on your own. Like, I didn't even mention the attack at all, or mention extremism, you clearly just invented it and I thank you for quoting my posts showing that. gjge

can't tell if this is just a bad tongue in cheek post or just a really bad post

Really? I just read that >50% of Russians report that they "never" attend any religious service.

Thank you.

Remember that time we fought an incredibly expensive decades long Cold War against the Soviets so our ideals would guide the world? Who knew what regrets we would eventually harbor with our victory.

Do you guys think you could get more ridiculous and strawmanny if you tried?

The Nazis ****ing took most of France, with an actual army. They were a global superpower. ISIS, yeah, no.

I began to go example by example, some of the stuff you list isn't terrorism but that's not the point. I said there was "so much less" headline Islamic terrorism, do you agree or disagree that there is more headline Islamic terrorism in the last 2 years especially in the West vs. 60s-90s?

I agree with this part, albeit given hindsight, that's why I brought it up, chessmate. The point there being, the relative dip in Islamic terrorism in the recent past was probably related to a costly and messy commitment of U.S. forces and political attention. Saying or not saying "radical Islamic terrorism" had nothing to do with it.

Yeah like I said it's a bit hard to capture and explain. The Kremlin/the state, public officials act almost identically to like Republicans of 2004, constantly invoking religion. A lot of the people are not religious but the culture is very conservative and you don't want to be starting any beefs with the Russian clergy, a good bit of them are FSB anyway.

I can appreciate that you probably weren't sincerely advocating for the violent oppression of Muslims and that you hedged and admitted we might not want to do it... but when people express skepticism about de-Islamazation programs and you say "well, the Soviets did a pretty good job of marginalizing religion" and we're all like "yeah by violently ****ing crushing it" and you're all like "STRAWMAN ALERT, I didn't mean that, I just mean you know, marginalization" -- I think it's fair to point out that an absurd revisionist history of the Soviet persecution of Christians (not to mention Jews) in the Soviet Union. They weren't marginalized, they were violently persecuted. You don't get to say you didn't mean that but for total ignorance. Saying they were 'marginalized' is ****ing downright Orwellian. Orthodox leaders were executed, churches closed, religious publications censored. That's not marginalization, that's a crime against humanity.

Hillary is going with "radical jihad" for the all important descriptor.

Somehow the Jordanian family that makes the best rotisserie chicken I've ever had also manages not to kill me every time I go into their restaurant. But I should still let them know their religion sucks. That will spur them to do more about terrorism.

Actually I've watched their son grow up working in the restaurant. He's probably 18 now. Maybe I should just kill him to be safe.