whiteness is a state of mind.

This is when it's time for a civil war. Nothing ever changes this level of fascism without a massive number of casualties.

Are you joking? This was in a series of public universities where some students and teachers were making political campaign with banners with insulting remarks about the other candidate. Someone from the school complained to the electoral comission, and the police removed the political banners from the school because of orders from the electoral court. Police applying the law, big fascism here.

I've got an uncle that lives in Brazil. It's just not a question of not improving the country. The level of corruption is unprecedent sincethe military dictature, with the scandals involving the state owned oil company being too evident. Just like in Venezuela. Fortunatelly the economy and democracy in Brazil are much stronger than that country, because the level of crime and corruption was reaching similar levels.

Most peopple that could swallow Bolsonaro's misogonistic and securitary remarks have the hope is economic agenda will be good for the country with the privatizations of the state owned companies. At least that's what most peope who I know voted for him in the second round were hoping for, as the less of two evils. Even Fernando Henrique Cardoso, previous leading politician from the center couldn't bring himself to recommend voting in Haddad against Bolsonaro.

Edited to add: well in the second round there were only two choices, you chose the continuation of PT or Bolsonaro. In the first round you could go with Joao Amoedo or more reasonable choices, but they had no significant votes. So there was only one choice in the second round, or not voting/blank vote.

lol he didn't publicly oppose the guy who plans to throw his political opponents in jail? You don't say.

lol, found the bolsonaro supporter.

most universities didn't even mention him. I'd love to see your sources on that.
most universities had this:




basically just saying they are anti fascism. then bolsonaro got offended. if the shoe fits... lol

No, I'm not joking. The only joke here is you. Literally the only good thing to ever happen after one of these right wing, fascist, racist, people hating piece of human garbage authoritarians like Trump or Bolsonaro gets elected is the true morons like you out themselves as such. It was harder to spot you when you kept your deplorable thoughts to yourself. You know what you can do now? **** right off. You support a fascist piece of ****, you are a fscist piece of ****. Congrats.

The judge in the case ordered any material that defended democracy and any material that was anti-violence seized. Lol at anyone defending any of this. This is exactly what Trump aspires to and what the US will be is he lasts past 2019.

It was completely dishonest, and typical of those who are unable to understand why the right is destroying the left because everytime someone tries to explain it to them they get accused of being a rightwinger. It's a tactic for shutting down discourse and communication that's typical of those who are ideologically blindered, and, unfortunately, very common on the right of the political spectrum.

It's very important to understand that what got Trump, Bolsonaro, Salvini, etc. into power is the same forces that got Macron and Podemos into power. It's massive disaffection with supposedly democratic political structures that fail completely to represent the interests of ordinary people against the overpowering interests of major commercial entities, such as banks and energy companies. Coupled with massive corruption in some particular leftist parties (e.g. Brazil), a lot of people just want change.

People are tired of being messaged, of things being framed for them, etc. They aren't as stupid as the elites (of both political stripes) suppose, some of them are even intelligent, and they are fed up with hearing one thing and seeing another. After ten years of one thing, they vote for the other, particularly if it appears not to censor itself. Oddly the racism, xenophobia, hatred, misogyny, etc. of the Bolsonaros and Trumps is sometimes appealing even to those it attacks, maybe not enough that they'll vote for these guys, but enough that they'll listen to them. It comes across as more honest than the pro-immigrant, anti-racist, pro-woman rhetoric of the left that appears not to be backed up by action, that appears directed at rich elites rather than at ordinary people.

Misogyny and homophobia are probably on the rise. It's a backlash to genuine changes in the situation of women and homosexuals in many societies. The same happened in the 1920s in Europe. People forget how much the vote for women threatened the church and similar entities, and how much of the fascism of that era was motivated by "decay of social conditions", and other similar phrases that can be understood as surrogates for keeping women in their place. The same is happening now to a certain extent.

Finally, the disdain the left shows for the Trumps and Bolsonaros only empowers them. People identify with the lack of respect they are shown, because people feel that the usual political infrastructure doesn't respect them either. An outsider, even if not really an outsider, really a rich bastard from within, earns sympathy that gets reinforced everytime he is attacked by the insiders, however meritorious the attack.

The solution are left wing candidates that aren't tools of the machine. The problem is that the left so far, in most countries, has failed to present any (Spain might be sort of a counterexample, but I'm afraid it will soon go the Italian way).

Nothing in this wall of text justifies voting for this piece of garbage. You would basically defending voting for the 2nd coming of Hitler.

By asking for clarification of the internet sarcasm of a July 2018 join date, goofy has fundamentally bolstered the right wing in their facistic conquest of liberal democracy.

jfc it's because you didn't use a comma

True story, but of the 10 or so largest counties on Earth, you'd be surprised how few have healthy, functioning democracies.

That is to say: authoritarianism is normal yo, the mainstream press and companies are going to 'normalize' him because authoritarian ghoul **** is normal, stepping away from democracy and toward autocracy and repression is reversion to the human mean. This sounds bad but if we're thinking this is a global frustration with the prevailing order perhaps re-casting liberal democracy as a radical solution rather than the unquestionable status quo isn't the worst idea. I would say we're way, way past the time of fascists rising up threatening to legit murder their political opponents and us getting the vapors like "the elites, they're NORMALIZING him, good sirs do you realize, I say do you REALIZE what you've done here" will do anything. Yes, they realize, they know, I know it's been a dark week and I'm a broken record but we're going to be marched to death camps muttering to ourselves about how if only the MSM knew how dangerous our overlords normalization was.

Just a gentle reminder, anyway, that the media is a for-profit enterprise, big tech too, Brazil is a huge and growing economy, no one is going to lock themselves out of that market because of norms, the assumed role of media (or big tech or whoever) as norm guardian is really some fictional things liberals invented and it's an increasingly dangerous assumption.

The likes of Cooper/Lemon/Cuomo say or portray repeatedly that they are the protector of norms.

It's like the only reason for any of their shows existing now. At least that's the pretence they give.

In other words, rich people going to make out great, lots of disadvantaged groups going to be persecuted, and selfish/racist/hateful/misogynistic etc mfers will be happy. Bolnasaro also a lock to be massively corrupt and for no one to care.

What stuck out to me about this article is how international the American Right is.

https://www.thenation.com/article/br...ural-politics/

i dont think dvaut or whoever else is necessarily positing that this is a conscious, logical, thoughtful, and measured decision that these people have made. it's more that if the left wing politicians have been embroiled in corruption, you havent had any measurable uptick in quality of life for a while, violent crime is up, your media consumption is limited, and the extreme right offers a bunch of seemingly simple solutions with easy scapegoats, i mean that's a pretty good recipe for being misled into something you don't fully understand or appreciate.

chaos all around you and one party promises to restore order. i imagine plenty of people wouldn't need or want to hear much more than that.

What do Benjamin Netanyahu and Jair Bolsonaro have in common?

They were both in the military.

Pretty much. I think the global left has often been co-opted by neoliberalism (e.g., falling into Third Way political siren songs from the Clintons and Blairs of the world). Corruption in various places.

All that you say about the extreme right is true, they have solutions for what people perceive as chaos. But my point is two fold. Extreme right wing parties are not that deeply popular. Brazil was almost stunning because Bolsonaro's vote totals were pretty high and it wasn't an especially low turnout election.

In places where they are ascendant, they aren't riding a popular wave but instead are filling a vacuum of meager and divided opposition. That I think is also the left's failure to mount a sustained and unified and ideological front; it is, I think, at the heart of the entire liberal/left divide you see manifested in stuff like cutthroat emotions about Clinton/Sanders (or Melanchon/Marcon in France, Paul D and max versus the forum leftists, etc.). The emotions are over the degree to which the left is (and ought to be) co-opted by liberalism, by market orthodoxy, globalization, etc. and how best to oppose a rising right. The potential to oppose this stuff is there, but the masses who might be mobilized to do it aren't organized because the left is doing a lot of in-fighting. The effects of capitalism are perverse man.

So when we talk about the failure of the left, it's also in not being able to mobilize and activate people against fascist uprisings, not necessarily trying to gauge what motivated people who did vote for fascists. "They voted for simple solutions to combat what they perceived as chaos" -- sure, for voters who moved to the right. Why the left wasn't and hasn't been able to say defeat Trump in the US is IMHO far more a story about how everyone else (e.g., the ~75% of Americans who didn't vote or didn't vote for Trump) is disorganized.

what im hearing is CIRO WOULD HAVE WON

Exactly.

I'm gonna lay it on you straight. You have hot air blown up by your ass on these forums because you can construct elegant paragraphs. So I get it you have an ego and think you're the man and are driven by said ego. However, your posts are basic agitprop material. You don't seem to be capable of posting anything other than taking some event and spinning it on how bad capitalism is. Like that laughable airplane incident last year. I don't think people living under the Nordic model and other parts of the world where elected officials aren't merely serving the interests of their donors have the same impression of it (capitalism) as you. But like the right you're stuck in confirmation bias loops incapable of thinking critically when it comes to world views.

Someone mobilized women voters this election. They have apparently showed up to vote more than men. So that part of your posts is untrue.

In Brazil there was death squads fifteen years ago and probably up to this decade fighting gangs. It isn't like Brazil's slip to authoritarianism emerged from nowhere.

I'm not against the left. I'm not even a centrist in the US like your LCD post implies. Though perhaps I might be in Europe. The left posters in this forum have an unhealthy appetite for constructing scapegoats to rage about rather channeling energy into positivity. I might've been a dick to microbet before I took a vacay from 2p2 to venture into r/politics to get away from groupthink that has gone on here, but I give him credit, he does try to channel positive vibes.

So please continue on badgering suzzer when suzzer does what he thinks he can do to help, vilifying max and me, spinning the same type of demotivational crap about democrats ad nauseam (I'm not even registered as one and haven't been in two decades). I really don't care. I think it's funny.

I guess kudos to our capitalist system for empowering mostrous garbage people like Weinstein and Kavanaugh that have inspired women to get out and vote.