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Originally Posted by Felix_Nietzsche
The constant apologizing and praise for a despicable man like Chavez is making me want to puke.
Again, I don't see anyone explicitly apologizing for or praising Hugo Chavez. This thread has gone like this thus far:
1. Post offering
facts or
data pertinent to Venezuela's history under Chavez.
2. Post saying "omg omg Chavez is a dictator it's all bad"
3. Post laying out more
facts re: VE
4. Post ignoring facts, again, and denouncing Chavez as all bad
Pointing out that VE has seen economic growth under Chavez as compared to an era pre-Chavez is not apologizing for Chavez. It's pointing out that VE has seen economic growth under Chavez. Facts aren't statement of praise.
Some posters have chimed in with secondary sources that illustrate Chavez's wrongdoings. That's good--that's a conversation. But refusing to consider
facts about VE because they disagree with a held
opinion about its leader is not productive or useful in the context of a debate. Those posters who offer facts that we must interpret as flaws in the Chavez leadership are arguing in good faith. Those saying we can't consider Chavez on any other terms than "bad leader" because of {1, 2, 3, ... n} bad things Chavez has done are not arguing in good faith.
There are both good and bad aspects of any political system, nation, or leader. You don't get to discount the good because the bad exists, or vice-versa. If you could, we wouldn't be able to discuss
any nation or leader without denouncing it/him, because frankly--as I think you know, Felix--
every existing political entity offends liberty and freedom in its own way.