Bolton is itching for some kind of conflict



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silliest face in political history

his tie is flying elephants

If the USA is going to get involved cause their election is rigged Canada is sending in troops for the next election if Trump wins.

I think North Dakota and Montana probably is better armed than your troops

Our troops would be nothing more than target practice for trigger happy US civilians. Wouldn't make it more than 1km in land.

From a WSJ reporter on Twitter

US has given the Maduro regime a virtual death penalty, and China/Russia have largely abandoned him.

Hopefully this regime falls quickly and we get new elections quickly.

What makes you think the US puppet will win an election given that he was unknown to the vast majority of venezuelans until he declared himself president? Maduro is unpopular but he is the most popular of those on offer. He will not be removed democratically. For instance the US has installed Elliott Abrams as special envoy (convicted for Iran Contra affair, ie an actual war criminal). The strategy is removal by force. Recall pinochet in Chile for a blueprint.

Maduro will get the Nicholae Ceausescu treatment.

His own people will take him to the back of a wall and shoot him.

But Venezuela people need more catalysts. And sanctions may be the answer.

how ****ing stupid do you have to be to think that maduro could win an election right now?

just 0 knowledge of venezuela

the last free-ish election was 2013, maduro BARELY won

You mean 2018 and he won comfortably. My knowledge of venezuala is far from extensive I accept, though my points are much better substantiated than yours.
(for instance you claim oil is not a factor despite John Bolton openly stating this is the US prime concern)

Have you been living under a rock?

Every single 1st world nation called 2018 an illegitimate election and non of them recognized it.

He also banned or threw every single political opponent in jail.

This is tyical right wing analysis. If they dislike a regime, it is unfairly elected. But you surely wont hear a peep about trump or bush.

How about Erdogan or Mohammed bin Salman? Embargo time?

You guys have to be trolling.

Any of those countries undergoing 80 000% inflation?
Empty supermarkets?
90% poverty?
3 million refugees in last few years?
Mass hunger?

Forgot a few important details there.

Entire EU rejected the election = EU right wing organization.
Canada rejected the election = Right wingers.

You are telling me Maduro was fairly elected. Thats exactly what your post implies.

You really didn't think this through before you posted. Your post gets significantly worst the more you apply the facts to it.

Well Tien, maybe we're going to see how your solution works out.

I guess one nice benefit of the US colluding with Russia is that we have a pretty good backchannel established with them. They have quietly seemed to have dumped Maduro.

Colombia today cancelled the visa of 200 top supporters of Maduro, which is signficiant because it means the noose is also tightening around people close to him. They might rethink their support for him if their escape hatches are closed.

Also worth considering, Maduro is in serious trouble if the US is poised to follow the Panama plan, which was to get rid of one guy (Noriega) and leave everyone else alone. That, combined with the foreign aid that will flow into the country (and right into the pockets of the next people in line to run the country) will provide a lot of incentives for a pretty peaceful coup.

So do Venezuelans want fair elections or do they not?

Do you continue to do business with a leader that has 90% of its population starving? We have a choice in this matter too. I am glad Canada put the foot down on Maduro.

Its up to the US and rest of the world if they want to keep financing Maduro. Maduro doesn't get to starve his entire population and then demand all the world leaders to keep buying his oil.

I think it is entirely reasonable to be skeptical of any US involvement in a Latin American country given the self-serving awfulness of nearly every American action up to this point. And the fact that oil is involved should increase that skepticism by a factor of 10.

The sad truth is that the US has no plan for success in the region, and never has. But it has never stopped the Americans from imposing their will, often to the detriment of the societies they are allegedly trying to help.

The biggest problem facing Venezuela is the fact that, even after Maduro is kicked out, the vast majority of the people are simply facing a future of more poverty and misery.

This is because there is a seriously broken philosophy that holds firm to the idea that issues facing the region - namely corruption, tax evasion and insecurity - are strictly national issues. And the fact is that these issues are largely driven by a combination of external and internal forces. So unless there are changes on the international level, nothing is going to change internally.

So when I see people write "Venezuelans need to solve Venezuelan problems," it makes my head spin, because it ignores a massive amount of evidence that, without serious changes on a global scale, nothing is going to change for them regardless of how much they may want it to.

So Venezuelans got a fair election in 2015 when they historically defeated Maduro in the mid terms and had a supermajority in Congress.

He responds by creating a brand new Congress full of his supporters and uses new Congress to strip old congress of all its powers.

What a beauty. It boggles my mind how Maduro has sympathizers.

The issue goes like this.

You have a range of opinions, from Maduro is a victim of Yanqui intervention to wariness of US intervention in Latin American.

The answer to all these questions is, Maduro is a terrible and needs to go.

Ok, granted Maduro is a terrible person and needs to go, but now you're just started.

What's the end goal supposed to be, how to we get there, how should the processes happen to achieve that end goal, etc?

The problem I see is that no one answer those questions, they keep harping on how bad Maduro is to any objection of any kind.

At the most bad faith (not from anyone here, but from US officials), I really do think the harping is a way to deflect what the US is doing behind the scenes.

That happened all the time in Latin America and most recently with Iraq. When people would ask why US funded and supported death squads were murdering civilians by the ton, Abrams, the guy they just put in charge of Venezuela, either would insinuate the people asking the questions were secret Communist sympathizers or would make up accusations against the victims, like they were helping the Communists.

The reality, at the worst, I would guess, is that the US and the Venezuelan military are going to come to some kind of arraignment for a military coup and an installation of some US friendly policy in exchange for letting the military keep their pockets in everything. Similar to Egypt. At the best they actually do have free and open elections.

I don't support any kind of military intervention. No boots on the ground. No Iraq 2.0 in South America. Not even Syria style send 100s of millions of $ in weapons to opposition force which is probably what Bolton / Pompeo is itching to do right now.

I do support countries around the world freezing Maduro out of his ill gotten gains, like Bank of England refusing to release gold to Maduro, and stop buying Venezuelan oil.

It all depends on Juan Guaido. If he is talented enough to persuade military leaders to follow him and avoid a bloody civil war...

The wheels are moving in his direction but could easily skewer. The US is looking at ways to directly fund him.

If Maduro sees himself being squeezed out of office he may just arrest Guaido which would pretty much lead to a civil war at this point.