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03-31-2015 , 08:42 AM
I'm not even mad

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Using a cellphone, which prisoners aren't allowed to have, Moore used an Internet domain registration service to create a fake Web address closely resembling that of Britain's Royal Courts of Justice, Paton told the court, according to the BBC and Britain's Press Association. Once he had the email account, Moore posed as a court clerk and sent an email telling Wandsworth managers that he'd been granted bail. The prison duly released him on March 10 of last year, court records show. But three or four days later, he had a change of heart, his lawyer told the Press Association, and he turned himself in.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/co...reedom-n332901
03-31-2015 , 09:03 AM
"How often do you look at a man's domain registry?"
03-31-2015 , 09:41 AM
I'm not a big fan of the "walk it back" meme, but here is some serious walking back going down in Indiana. There's just no other way to describe it.
03-31-2015 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
This guy deserves to be let off purely for the brilliance of this scheme
03-31-2015 , 10:35 AM
Proof that the best hackers are just social engineers

Or maybe the most effective hacking technique is social engineering
03-31-2015 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I'm not a big fan of the "walk it back" meme, but here is some serious walking back going down in Indiana. There's just no other way to describe it.
David Brooks, who you can always count on to be a total piece of ****, is doubling down:

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In the first place, if there is no attempt to balance religious liberty and civil rights, the cause of gay rights will be associated with coercion, not liberation. Some people have lost their jobs for expressing opposition to gay marriage. There are too many stories like the Oregon bakery that may have to pay a $150,000 fine because it preferred not to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony. A movement that stands for tolerance does not want to be on the side of a government that compels a photographer who is an evangelical Christian to shoot a same-sex wedding that he would rather avoid.

Furthermore, the evangelical movement is evolving. Many young evangelicals understand that their faith should not be defined by this issue. If orthodox Christians are suddenly written out of polite society as modern-day Bull Connors, this would only halt progress, polarize the debate and lead to a bloody war of all against all.
Why can't we just wait for the evangelicals to come around? You know, like we did on interracial marriage.
03-31-2015 , 12:26 PM
Richard Cohen isn't even concealing licking his chops over authoritarianism

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...f9d_story.html


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Lee was a disciplinarian. He ran Singapore like a severe private school. He brooked no dissent, bad manners, corruption, recreational drugs, sloth, laziness or rambunctious teenagers. He was famous for using the cane to punish vandals and the death penalty for drug dealers. He knew his city-state had only one natural resource and that was the industriousness and discipline of its people. They were his students and he was the headmaster.

....

Lee, as they once said of Mussolini, made the trains run on time. America’s trains too often don’t run at all.

We suffer from an excess of democracy.
03-31-2015 , 12:41 PM
[I can't believe how much time I've spent over the last couple of days reading about gay people, bakeries, wedding photographers, and wedding cakes.]

In any event, I disagree with Brooks's point about the Oregon bakery, but only at the margin. Based on my reading of the judge's order (and the facts described in the order), I think it could easily go either way and I'd be ok with either outcome.

My view would be that if the bakery declined to make any kind of cake for the wedding, it's unlawful discrimination. But if the bakery declined to make the particular cake requested by the couple, and instead offered a generic cake, I think the bakery is within their rights to do that. The judge in this case came to the conclusion that the baker told the couple that "Respondents do not make wedding cakes for same-sex ceremonies". If that's the conclusion, I think the outcome was correct, but some very small changes in circumstances would lead to a different outcome.

In a related case, a Denver bakery was recently accused of discrimination:
In this case, I think the baker is clearly in the right in having the choice to decorate the cake that way. And that story refers to yet another bakery controversy, where the ruling said:
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Respondents argue that if they are compelled to make a cake for a same-sex wedding, then a black baker could not refuse to make a cake bearing a white-supremacist message for a member of the Aryan Nation; and an Islamic baker could not refuse to make a cake denigrating the Koran for the Westboro Baptist Church.

However, neither of these fanciful hypothetical situations proves Respondents’ point. In both cases, it is the explicit, unmistakable, offensive message that the bakers are asked to put on the cake that gives rise to the bakers’ free speech right to refuse. That, however, is not the case here, where Respondents refused to bake any cake for Complainants regardless of what was written on it or what it looked like.
My initial view of the Indiana law was that it would simply protect these issues of expression, and I support those protections. But so many people (including Dale Carpenter at the Volokh Conspiracy, whom I respect) have stated that the law would allow things like a hotel denying a room to a same sex couple, that I'm assuming my understanding of the law is incorrect, and that it's much worse than I originally thought.
03-31-2015 , 12:42 PM
hahaha it's always adorable when bigots think they're a protected class
03-31-2015 , 12:45 PM
Brooks can afford to double since he's a pundit who doesn't have to actually be accountable or actually manage anything. Gov. Pence has to deal with the fallout when companies and the NCAA decide to take their business elsewhere.
03-31-2015 , 12:46 PM
I will never be able to wrap my head around the fact that David Brooks has a regular gig at the Times. How could that have ever come to be?

I mean, has anyone, anywhere, in the history of time ever thought to themselves "What is David Brooks's take on all this, I wonder?" Just bewildering to me.
03-31-2015 , 12:55 PM
Occupy the Final Four with tons of people gunking up everything around the stadium would be awesome.
03-31-2015 , 01:02 PM
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Facing a national uproar over a religious freedom law, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana said Tuesday that he wanted the measure changed by week’s end, even as he stepped up a vigorous defense of the law, rejecting claims that it would allow business to deny services to gays and lesbians.

“I’ve come to the conclusion that it would be helpful to move legislation this week that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses the right to discriminate against anyone,” Mr. Pence, a Republican, said at a news conference in Indiana
Walk it backkkkk
03-31-2015 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
David Brooks, who you can always count on to be a total piece of ****, is doubling down:

Why can't we just wait for the evangelicals to come around? You know, like we did on interracial marriage.
Meh. Brooks was way ahead of the curve on gay marriage, IIRC.

But the whole idea that photographers are being "forced" or "compelled" to shoot same sex weddings is ludicrous. It is trivially easy for a photographer to avoid such a wedding--just take your vacation on that day or etc. What these people want is the right to say, publicly and without repercussions "I'm not serving you because you are gay." I doubt these people even sincerely care whether they serve gay people or not. It's just a form of protest that the power of government is no longer used to keep people from getting married.
03-31-2015 , 02:19 PM
Vox going to town on Obama's Middle East policy
03-31-2015 , 02:26 PM
Yeah that's pretty brutal.
03-31-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Meh. Brooks was way ahead of the curve on gay marriage, IIRC.

But the whole idea that photographers are being "forced" or "compelled" to shoot same sex weddings is ludicrous. It is trivially easy for a photographer to avoid such a wedding--just take your vacation on that day or etc. What these people want is the right to say, publicly and without repercussions "I'm not serving you because you are gay." I doubt these people even sincerely care whether they serve gay people or not. It's just a form of protest that the power of government is no longer used to keep people from getting married.
what? Just lie bro, we're not forcing you?!?!!?!? Own up man, it's clearly forcing people to do something.
03-31-2015 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Richard Cohen isn't even concealing licking his chops over authoritarianism

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...f9d_story.html
https://twitter.com/localist29/statu...79440898138113
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03-31-2015 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
What these people want is the right to say, publicly and without repercussions "I'm not serving you because you are gay." I doubt these people even sincerely care whether they serve gay people or not.
I think "these people" are really more the legislators than the shopkeepers. "these people" want to pass legislation that they can use to signal their bonafides to the base. It doesn't matter if the legislation actually will pass any constitutional muster or if any gay people get their cake messed up, that's just collateral damage.
03-31-2015 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"How often do you look at a man's domain registry?"
03-31-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
I think "these people" are really more the legislators than the shopkeepers. "these people" want to pass legislation that they can use to signal their bonafides to the base. It doesn't matter if the legislation actually will pass any constitutional muster or if any gay people get their cake messed up, that's just collateral damage.
Yeah, this is a really critical part. How often do you even know whether a customer is gay? How many gay people are going to anti-gay photographers?

One reason why the PR response to this from the right has been so confused(the bill does nothing but is also a vital defense of religious rights and anyway Clinton did the same thing so please stop being mean!!!1!!) is because it's politics as theater to them. This was about striking a blow against the oppression of Christians by those meddling multicultural secular courts, it's a fundraising email generator.

The idea that this is an actual bill that will effect actual people in real life is an 11th hour development.
03-31-2015 , 05:39 PM
if you're a wedding photographer and your clients are gay you're going to figure it out pretty quickly.
03-31-2015 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
if you're a wedding photographer and your clients are gay you're going to figure it out pretty quickly.
See, and this is really telling about how difficult it for for "pro-gay rights" Republicans to exist. ikes is totally for gay marriage and whatever. Seattlelou had a Michael Sam avatar for a while!

But when that mainstream media started picking on those nice God-fearing Real 'Mericans in Indiana, well, you see how that cookie crumbles. Christians deserve rights, homosexuals can go straight to hell.
03-31-2015 , 05:48 PM
Anyway Trevor Noah made a handful of mildly offensive and deeply unfunny jokes on Twitter, so now the right wing is trying to get him fired from the Daily Show before he ever got hired. LOL they are so bad at this stuff.
03-31-2015 , 05:50 PM
I want John Stewart forever. Losing Colbert and Stewart in a year is too much to bear.

Conservatives should be thrilled. College kids will go back to not caring about politics anymore.

      
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