Barney Frank: The Savoir Of Online Poker? - Page 6 - Politics and Economics

I'd rather see a cap on the max number of tables per account than to see legislation. Mass tabling has probably done just as much to kill winrates as legislation.

Again, an actual prohibition would be far worse.

07-30-2010 , 11:56 AM

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tomdemaine

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I've got a feeling that poker has a very good chance of becoming as beatable as state lotteries with competition outlawed through "licensing" in the not too distant future. Party is going to want to get their $300,000,000 bribe back and then some. Anyone here hiring? TomVeil?

07-30-2010 , 12:13 PM

#129

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

There's nothing like that in this bill.

You guys might want to read what has actually been proposed before you comment.

07-30-2010 , 12:18 PM

#130

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

There's nothing like that in this bill.

You guys might want to read what has actually been proposed before you comment.

I'm not saying it'll be this bill. I also very much hope I'm wrong (it has been known to happen

07-30-2010 , 12:19 PM

#131

tubasteve

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Again, an actual prohibition would be far worse.

well no ****...thanks for enlightening me

07-30-2010 , 12:22 PM

#132

Stu Pidasso

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Originally Posted by bonsaltron

I assume you're a supporter of prohibiting alcohol? Surely that does more harm to society than good

I don't support the government prohibiting alcohol nor do I support the government prohibiting gambling. However if the government did prohibit alcohol I would say they weren't over stepping thier bounds.

What I disgust is the thought that I can drive a mile or two to a card room and play poker but if I play the game in my own home for smaller stakes...they could concievably lock me up with child molesters and rapist(online poker is a felony in WA state thanks to the stupid democrats).

Government needs to be consistent.

07-30-2010 , 12:23 PM

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ikestoys

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Originally Posted by tubasteve

well no ****...thanks for enlightening me

If you realize this, then your position isn't well thought out, because like I've posted twice now, it's either regulation or prohibition. The status quo isn't maintainable.

07-30-2010 , 12:27 PM

#134

Stu Pidasso

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Stu, for one thing, universal rakeback is just lower rake. It's pretty clear you were very proud of your "rakeback lets people play different" argument and you're not giving up...At the vast majority of sites it is not based on the actual amount of rake you personally pay.

Also, there is not a law that "everyone must be equal all the time", so stop applying that principle to hypothetical situations.

If online poker becomes legal in the U.S. it will be because certain interest have lobbied for it to become legal. If those interests don't like rakeback it will be regulated out under the guise of a leveling the playing field.

07-30-2010 , 12:28 PM

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ikestoys

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this thread should be locked, and everyone go to legislation. jeebus.

07-30-2010 , 12:34 PM

#136

bonsaltron

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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso

Here's some consistency Stu:

If an individual does not infringe on the rights of another individual(s)' rights, it aught to be legal. If rights are encroached through acts of force or fraud, it aught to be illegal.

Picking and choosing non-violent non-aggressive activities that don't bother anyone else is the root of inconsistency. Alcohol? Yes. Tobacco? Yes. Weed? No. Gambling? Sometimes. Prostitution? Only in Nevada.

BTW, states' rights are an important part of the equation. Varying laws in different states is a healthy inconsistency for a free society.

07-30-2010 , 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

If you realize this, then your position isn't well thought out, because like I've posted twice now, it's either regulation or prohibition. The status quo isn't maintainable.

i'm just trying to make a point that, IMO, even with regulation the games are still likely to be a lot harder than they were in the past due to the tragedy of the commons created when you have 16-tabling hudbots infesting every stake level.

07-30-2010 , 10:45 PM

#138

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The status quo isn't maintainable.

I'm not saying you're wrong but "they" have been saying this in legislation for four years. UIGEA has obviously hurt game quality but what else has changed? Is future implementation of UIGEA supposed to be much worse than what we've seen to date? If not I don't see the problem.

07-30-2010 , 10:50 PM

#139

spaceman Bryce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

this thread should be locked, and everyone go to legislation. jeebus.

HYDROX ARE BETTER THAN OREAS IMO

07-30-2010 , 11:13 PM

#140

Oreos

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Originally Posted by USC Cheats

In other news, Oreos probably do more harm than good and should also be banned.

no u

07-30-2010 , 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Losing all

Handwaving the game quality issue away takes a lot of effort. Furthermore, receiving payments has been complicated for a lot of Americans

Anyways, your brief argument is nonsensical. If the status quo is not maintainable, then the problem isn't limited to the UIGEA because the UIGEA is part of the status quo. The 'status quo can't last' argument is based on the argument that a law blatantly outlawing poker will be passed if something isn't passed to regulate it.

07-31-2010 , 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

HYDROX ARE BETTER THAN OREAS IMO

: heart:

07-31-2010 , 09:01 AM

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Boa Hancock

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Nothing Barney Frank does to help poker will ever make up for the harm he has done to the US economy by being one of the key government pushers of subprime mortgages in the past decade.

It hurts the image of poker to have Barney Frank associated with it.

07-31-2010 , 11:17 AM

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kidpokeher

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Thank you for your input Mr. Hannity.

07-31-2010 , 01:43 PM

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i mean you do realize that barney frank literally complained in congress that they were more worried about financial security than about affordable housing, right? ppl in the bush administration did warn congress about the systemic risk that could collapse the financial system and he basically told them to **** themselves. how'd that work out for us?

07-31-2010 , 02:48 PM

#146

kidpokeher

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Well, damn. I guess we shouldn't legalize online gambling then.

07-31-2010 , 04:16 PM

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Sholar

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Do you think your bill to legalize marijuana will ever pass?
Yes, in the next five years.

Taken from a profile in the nytimes.

From what little I know of him, he's an odd character, but usually seems to be on the right side of civil liberties issues.

07-31-2010 , 07:55 PM

#148

zan nen

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inb4 7.925% rake to the gov't sux im quitting poker

07-31-2010 , 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kidpokeher

Well, damn. I guess we shouldn't legalize online gambling then.

technically online gambling isn't illegal, and if you've been paying any attention to whats happening to online poker in a few other countries recently you might not be so happy to see the government get involved.

07-31-2010 , 08:01 PM

#150

zan nen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Basically, it's regulate or ban. I'd rather have it regulated.

This is why we can't have good things. Pretend you need to go to work but you know that the bridge at the bottom of the hill is out. Also, your brakes are broken and you know how to fix them. Instead you are going to get in your car and leave yourself the option of plummeting into the ravine or swerving into a huge tree. You continually fail by being a state apologist.

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