Klinker, can I get it spelled out what the point is here? I'll even grant you all the premises:

- Greenwald is gay and lives in Brazil, not America
- Greenwald once wrote stupid stuff about immigration and while he has claimed he still changed his mind, maybe he still believes the dumb stuff, secretly
- Greenwald once supported the Iraq War. MAYBE HE EVEN SECRETLY STILL DOES, I have no idea.
- Greenwald was once a conservative and is now more accurately described as a libertarian than a liberal
- Greenwald does work for Cato
- Cato is funded with Koch monbies

Conclusion?: _________________

Fill in the blank for me.

An apology to John Tyner

By:

Just to preempt the answer I don't really care about (sorry Klinker), allow me to state my point:

When I agree with Greenwald's criticisms of Obama, as I often do, it's because:

- I think his arguments are valid

Things that are irrelevant to my judgements of Greenwald's criticisms of Obama:

- Greenwald is gay and lives in Brazil, not America
- Greenwald once wrote stupid stuff about immigration and while he has claimed he still changed his mind, maybe he still believes the dumb stuff, secretly
- Greenwald once supported the Iraq War. MAYBE HE EVEN SECRETLY STILL DOES, I have no idea.
- Greenwald was once a conservative and is now more accurately described as a libertarian than a liberal
- Greenwald does work for Cato
- Cato is funded with Koch monbies

klinker if you're gonna hate on gg do it for a reason that makes sense; like him being a relentlessly self righteous douche.

Why does GG live in brazil? Easier to hide the Krugerrands that the Koch brothers pay him with?

Brazil recognizes his relationship with his "butt buddy" more than the US does.


*south park reference, no banz please*

That. And despite being the greatest country on Earth, Greenwald at (least formerly) can't marry his husband in New York but can in some backwater third rate, less great country like Brazil.

Why are you posting that GG is gay? I never mentioned that.

You have the GG touch when it comes to attempted smears, which is probably why you can hand-wave his smear jobs, illegal wiretapping, support for the Iraq War, previous stance against Amnesty, and his false reporting about NDAA.

Also, GG thinks it's funny and professional to use his Salon fame to compare Obama to Hitler, call one of his supporters Leni Riefenstahl, and claim that another supporter would think Obama were noble if he raped a nun. Greenwald is a scumbag. http://twitter.com/#!/ggreenwald/sta...59874322825216

More to come.

but, yeah, you know you are out of ideas when you have to insinuate that someone is homophobic when they never even mentioned sexual orientation.

Glenn taught you well.

I don't think you're homophobic. What is your conclusion again? Fill in the blank for me.

You're the one who went full xenophobe insinuating that GG shouldn't be taken seriously because he lives in Brazil. Sorry that the forum had to burst your bubble by pointing out that he has a perfectly legitimate reason why he would choose to not live in the US.

That was before Tyner confessed.

From Tyner's blog: The "whole" truth

I guess Klinker's argument here is just "Greenwald is a scumbag." Okay, whatever. I don't care. I think most of his criticisms of Obama are completely valid, scumbag or not.

He confessed to joking about how to handle the the scanners before he realized they had scanners? That's your proof??? You realize there are many, many confirmed stories about the TSA not keeping their website up to date about which airports have those stupid scanners, right?

Klinker- Do you read all the articles that you link. I don't think you do. What did Tyner "confess" to doing?

Was it that he was in any way linked to an Astroturf operation and had provoked or staged the incident? That was what The Nation apologized for implying.

WHAT THE **** IS YOUR POINT?

Yeah, I'm not really sure what heinous crime Tyner confessed to there.

He is articulating a widely held position. I'm aware of that argument and reject it.

Because the U.S. issues its own currency it is never at risk of insolvency and does not rely on 'borrowing' to finance spending. Bernanke makes allusions to the eurozone which are invalid as they are currency users (edit: meaning they can't 'print money'), their currency is more akin to a gold standard than fiat money. Explained here and here.

And stop posting about how there's "more to come". If you have any legitimate evidence of... whatever you're accusing Greenwald of being, just post that **** right now.

Yes, it's "full xenophobe" to claim that someone who does not live in country may be nonchalant about domestic security.

I always thought that critics of Israel's security apparatus may think differently if they actually lived in Israel, though I concede that there are Israel critics who do live in Israel.

btw, on that subject, Glenn defends the use of Israel-Firsters, which most Jewish people consider anti-Semitic:

“Israel Firster”: Anatomy of a Smear

Cool, thanks for your posts and an explanation of your position!

This sort of reminds me of those crazy evolution denier people who run around trying to prove Darwin was a pedophile, or a Jew or something that's supposed to be otherwise unsavory or against "Christian interests", or secretly a Christian, or secretly recanted everything about evolution on his deathbed and disavowed it. So? All the furious weirdo-Christian scholarly interest in Darwin personal esoterica doesn't get you "God made the world in 7 days." All the "Greenwald lives in Brazil" stuff doesn't get you some magic refutation of his criticisms of Obama.

KLINKER: THE VALIDNESS OF CRITICISMS OF OBAMA ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE CRITIC

Jesus you've found bloggers who make the same sort of random and unfocused attacks as you do.

If McCarthy had been investigating people who had literally taken an oath to defend the USSR because they had left the US to join the Soviet Army, I'm pretty sure nobody would really think that his behavior was that out of line.

BUT WHAT THE **** IS YOUR POINT?

I mean FFS the people who hate GG because of his lack of loyalty to Israel are like 180 degrees away from the people who hate him because he complains about Obama's grostequely awful assassinations of American citizens.

yeah basically the 'problem' with GG is that his analysis is bulletproof and he offends everyone on the inside. of course the result is weak attempts at character assassination.

Of course I have read all the articles. Have you?
Nothing to see here, just some destruction of evidence. Move along...to LewRockwell.com perhaps, where Tyner's latest wingnuttery appears.

I haven't even gotten to GG's "bulletproof" articles yet. Too busy responding to the apparently unhinged GG huggers.