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August LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of August?

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III

4 8.70%

John Kelly

6 13.04%

Jared Kushner

3 6.52%

Wilbur Ross

4 8.70%

Ben Carson

2 4.35%

Rudy Giuliani

11 23.91%

Sarah Huckabee Sanders

4 8.70%

Kellyanne Conway

0 0%

Rod Rosenstein

8 17.39%

Write-in

4 8.70%

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08-20-2018 , 02:19 PM

#1226

ScreaminAsian

For President

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https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1031586191626461185

08-20-2018 , 02:24 PM

#1227

TrollyWantACracker

Pooh-Bah

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That's real actually

08-20-2018 , 02:25 PM

#1228

ChrisV

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Speaking of sexual abuse, some chatter in the Trump's America thread about the latest Catholic revelations induced me to go and read about it. What the ****?

Quote:

The report said internal documents from six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania -- some held in a secret archive to which only the bishop had a key -- show that more than 300 "predator priests" have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 1,000 child victims.

Three HUNDRED! In one ****ing state! Details of which were held in a "secret archive"! Holy ****.

I know a lot of people hate Sam Harris but if nothing else, the guy can write a sentence. This paragraph from a piece in 2010 after the Ireland sexual abuse report stuck in my mind to the extent that I was able to google a phrase from it and find it just now:

Quote:

Consider the ludicrous ideology that made it possible: The Catholic Church has spent two millennia demonizing human sexuality to a degree unmatched by any other institution, declaring the most basic, healthy, mature, and consensual behaviors taboo. Indeed, this organization still opposes the use of contraception, preferring, instead, that the poorest people on earth be blessed with the largest families and the shortest lives. As a consequence of this hallowed and incorrigible stupidity, the Church has condemned generations of decent people to shame and hypocrisy—or to Neolithic fecundity, poverty, and death by AIDS. Add to this inhumanity the artifice of cloistered celibacy, and you now have an institution—one of the wealthiest on earth—that preferentially attracts pederasts, pedophiles, and sexual sadists into its ranks, promotes them to positions of authority, and grants them privileged access to children... Here, in this ghoulish machinery set to whirling through the ages by the opposing winds of shame and sadism, we mortals can finally glimpse how strangely perfect are the ways of the Lord.

08-20-2018 , 02:44 PM

#1229

ChrisV

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According to this there are 2,509 Catholic priests in Pennsylvania. The report covers 70 years but even so, 300 KNOWN child rapists is a pretty ****ing high fraction.

08-20-2018 , 02:58 PM

#1230

jalfrezi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Protection for boys is no disservice to protection for girls. The only disservice going on here is to victims who feel unable to speak out because they should be 'real men'.

The age of consent being 17 instead of 16 doesn't turn exploration and adventure into trauma.

08-20-2018 , 03:05 PM

#1231

goofyballer

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From an article about a California water fight comes an illuminating quote:

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Sitting inside the home, festooned with knickknacks and wooden shoes, the Dutch-born dairyman pulls no punches when describing who he says would be to blame for the demise of farming as he knows it: “Felicia Marcus and the rest of those crooks” — a reference to the chairwoman of the state water board.

As he spoke, his wife, Jayne, crocheting in a nearby chair, nodded approvingly.

“It’s not their water, it’s our water,” Verburg said.

He's talking about a ****ing river

08-20-2018 , 03:18 PM

#1232

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,912

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

The age of consent being 17 instead of 16 doesn't turn exploration and adventure into trauma.

Indeed. The local age of consent is a red herring in this conversation. Let's just call it x. We can argue the merits of what x should be (I'm unsure about that but people of similar ages should be exempted from the law whatever x is).

I don't think that's it's about 'trauma vs excitement' as much as 'protection for children vs when should people be considered adult in the eyes of the law'.

08-20-2018 , 03:31 PM

#1233

Johnny Truant

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Is there any scenario where a trusted adult figure in a child's life becomes a sexual partner for them that isn't suspect regardless of the legal age of consent or how attractive the adult is? This is not a case of you as you remember yourself at 17 meeting an Italian model and getting seduced. It is someone who had a very weird relationship with a kid who was put through a very weird childhood. There is no way in hell that it was all normal until the day they realized they were now adults and started with a clean slate and a spring/autumn romance.

I really doubt the people who are calling him lucky for getting to **** a hot woman would actually trade places with him if it came with all the additional baggage that led up and followed busting a nut.

08-20-2018 , 03:46 PM

#1234

jalfrezi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

I don't think that's it's about 'trauma vs excitement' as much as 'protection for children vs when should people be considered adult in the eyes of the law'.

This while derail is about how likely a 17 year old male is to be traumatised by sex with an older attractive woman, so 'trauma vs excitement' is exactly what it is about.

Clearly there are bound to be some edge cases, and this may be one, but absent further facts it's pretty far-fetched.

08-20-2018 , 03:49 PM

#1235

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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So in the modern information age with information racing across the globe at the speed light one ******* makes up a load of baloney and now measles is back.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-across-europe

08-20-2018 , 04:18 PM

#1236

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

How do you know there's baggage? How do you know it was a weird relationship? Are we really calling a 17 year old a child? How many 17 year olds meet a woman at a hotel, get served alcohol by her, and don't have at least some inkling of where things might be heading?

I suppose it's possible everything went down exactly how this guy claims, but is it likely?

08-20-2018 , 04:19 PM

#1237

goofyballer

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Current Affairs with a good, wide-ranging essay: Why the left can't compromise on abortion

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When women who abort are asked why they do not want to have a child, 74 percent say that having a child would interfere with education, work, or their ability to care for dependents, while 73 percent said they cannot afford a baby. Abortion rates are high in the developing world and low in the developed world, where they have been dropping steadily over time. We would expect pro-life conservatives, if they wanted to make it more likely that women would choose life, to strongly support family-friendly policies like paid parental leave, and universal free child care. The easier it is to raise a child, and the more support one receives, the more likely a woman is to decide she can go through with her pregnancy.

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There is therefore a version of the “pro-life” position that can be respected, one that is actually about life rather than about law. A person could sincerely believe the fetus is a life, but advocate improving the conditions of motherhood rather than using the criminal law to punish the poor and desperate. The problem with the pro-life position is not the particular view that it takes on the moral status of an unborn child, but that it responds through advocating policies that do little to help unborn children while using the blunt instrument of police power to dissuade women through threats rather than help.

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It would be far better to continue advocating for access to abortion, while also devoting a comparable amount of resources and energy to meaningfully supporting women who wish to be mothers. (Focusing on programs for mothers and children is also a great way to call the bluff of any “pro-life” politician who is opportunistically using abortion as a wedge issue and does not, in fact, give any ****s about human life.)

08-20-2018 , 04:19 PM

#1238

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

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08-20-2018 , 04:36 PM

#1239

DrChesspain

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

This is a bad take, since the facts seem to suggest that she had been a mother figure to him for a number of years...and she gave him alcohol in the hours prior to the onset of sexual activity. At the very least this is statutory rape in addition to providing alcohol to a minor.

If she was simply some random cougar he met in a bar while he was there with a fake ID, I would be much more sympathetic to her situation.

08-20-2018 , 04:43 PM

#1240

ecriture d'adulte

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Lol. That’s some grade A JAQing off.

08-20-2018 , 05:01 PM

#1241

Johnny Truant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

I'm steering clear of unpacking some of the subtext here to answer your question in a straightforward way. Go ahead and remove whatever parts of the story you think are suspect or just unprovable, whatever those are. If we include the following which I only know because I read itt--She knew him and worked with him as a 7-year-old when she was already a sexually active adult. She directed him in some scenes that sound very intense for an adult, never mind a second grader. She called him her son and kept in touch with him (i don't know how close they really were so if that is one of the questions, make it barely idgaf). If you doubt that he had a different power dynamic and level of trust with her from this previous experience than just horny 17 y/o vs beautiful older woman, why?

At what age do you think she started finding him sexually attractive? Is it likely or unlikely that this move of giving him alcohol, a bj, and sex at 17 was the first potentially inappropriate thing she said or did with him--that is if you don't include acting out hooker and beating scenes with him at 7?

I don't know what to tell you about it, man. Even if you imagine that you would be fine with that scenario for yourself, even if you think you would be fine with it for your own kid or another kid you care about, the fact is there are boys, red-blooded American, hormonal, sex-crazed boys, who would come away with more from an experience like this than getting to have sex with a hot chick. To understand something like this takes the empathy to consider more than the chance to "get some" in a bubble.

08-20-2018 , 05:16 PM

#1242

DrChesspain

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Well over 100 men get Tinder-pranked and are sent at the same time to Union Square in Manhattan to await a first date:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/20/s...e=sectionfront

08-20-2018 , 05:17 PM

#1243

dth123451

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Jesus Christ dude

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08-20-2018 , 05:30 PM

#1244

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,713

zikzak already posted that he thought that the woman should not be allowed near children again. Some of you people should definitely **** off.

08-20-2018 , 05:33 PM

#1245

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Well over 100 men get Tinder-pranked and are sent at the same time to Union Square in Manhattan to await a first date:

Quote:

She disqualified outright the men who were shorter than 5 foot 10, who were named Jimmy (she dislikes the name) or who had been dumped in their previous relationship, making the rose ceremonies on “The Bachelorette” look generous.

Of those who made it past the initial screening Ms. Aponte requested 30 push-ups on the spot.

She then asked the men to line up, and she “swiped left” on anyone she did not want to advance to the next round. She also asked them to race each other and gave each man about a minute to explain why he wanted to be with her.

Mr. Pleasants said that he was a little “too prideful to hop in that line,” but that there was an eventual winner whose name he did not catch.

Holy ****, have some ****ing dignity, guys.

08-20-2018 , 05:38 PM

#1246

Johnny Truant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

Holy ****, have some ****ing dignity, guys.

Without getting into the morality of the deceit to set it up, it sounds like the prank was simply illustrating the tinder app in person. Your post may be the moral of the story in full.