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01-19-2017 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Well, he promised to turn himself in if Manning was released, but changed his mind after he got what he wanted. Does that count as a lie?
Can you link this promise?
01-19-2017 , 02:22 AM
Screamin' Asian did 10 posts ago.
01-19-2017 , 03:59 AM
Is it a youtube or something? I'm behind the great firewall and can't see it.
01-19-2017 , 04:20 AM
It's a wikileaks twitter post from Jan 12.

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case"

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713
01-19-2017 , 09:01 AM
looooooool assmassage and literally anyone who supports that lying rapist
01-26-2017 , 02:30 PM
Russian Spy Tied to DNC Hacking Arrested for Treason
Wow, It Gets Bigger
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Last night I noted that a top Russian spy who is the number two person in the FSB department which allegedly oversaw the US election hacking operation had been arrested and charged with treason.... Well, now we have reports that Sergei Mikhailov is suspected of being a US asset at the heart of Russian intelligence....
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According to the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the FSB believes Sergei Mikhailov tipped off U.S. officials to information about Vladimir Fomenko and his server rental company “King Servers,” which the American cybersecurity company ThreatConnect identified last September as “an information nexus” that was used by hackers suspected of working for Russian state security in cyberattacks.
....Without putting too fine a point on it, a number of close advisors to President Trump are being scrutinized for ties to Russia. Some of them participated in the intelligence briefings the President receives. Do we have a very big problem?
01-26-2017 , 03:09 PM
It's wild that some russian dude is being charged with treason for something that is fake news and probably never even happened
01-26-2017 , 03:10 PM
Trump didn't show any respect to the wall of stars at the CIA hq because he intends to add several
01-26-2017 , 04:07 PM
The books written 30 years from now about this time are going to be super-interesting. We have no idea what's going on.

A. Trump's team ratted out one of our informants?
B. Russia wants to make it look like Trump's team ratted out informants?
C. The CIA set up this guy to sew uncertainty in Russian intelligence?
D. The Russians found this guy on their own and timing is coincidental?
E. ???

I don't even know how to handicap the options, except C is least likely.
08-17-2017 , 01:40 PM
Bump for a bunch of nonsense being spread about the DNC hack, this time from the left.

TL;DR: The Naiton published a piece supposedly disproving Russian hacking, but it's full of problems and its author, Patrick Lawrence, has ties to Russia media and consistently leans pro-Russia in his reporting.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/

This is actually not new and got some attention in July. It's based on a report by an anonymous guy who, hilariously, calls himself "The Forensicator."

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Forensicator’s first decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed.

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“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.”
I haven't found a good definitive source disproving this idea, but many sources point out that the timestamps used to infer transfer speed might have been made when the files were locally copied. In addition, it appears that those "unattainable" speeds were indeed possible over the internet.

WaPo reports that the piece is undergoing an internal post-piblication review at The Nation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.6520fee451bd

And what about the author, Patrick Lawrence? First, he's the foreign affairs reporter for Salon. But he's also got some Seth Rich opinions:

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A complicating consideration: Lawrence tweeted last week in support of the conspirator’s notion that Seth Rich — a former DNC staffer who was murdered in what police believe was a botched robbery attempt — may have been behind the leak.
But there's more. He also writes for Russia-Insider, which is a "crowd-funded" news organization started by ex-pats living in Moscow. Its stated goal is to counter the bias against Russia seen in western media. Russia-Insider is suspected to be a pro-Russia propaganda outlet similar to RT and others--and its founder may have gotten money from a Russian Oligarch (Note:I can't vouch for that site's credibility.) Oddly, he uses a pseudonym (Patrick L. Smith) for some if not all of his Russian writing, but he is somewhat open about it.

Here's a boring-ass video of him appearing as Patrick L. Smith on RT. Seriously no need to watch it, but it shows his connection to RT.

A look back through Patrick Lawrence's pieces shows that he has a definite pro-Russia slant:

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As Russian media make plain, Moscow’s practically breathless to enter a “new partnership” with Washington. It’s hard to think why Putin would follow a successful first encounter with battlefield aggression.
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NATO’s eastward advance in the post–Cold War period is a needless provocation.
Probably most damning is how angry he got when the DNC announced that Russia was behind their server being hacked:

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Clowns. Subversives. Do you know who you remind me of? I will tell you: Nixon, in his famously red-baiting campaign — a disgusting episode — against the right-thinking Helen Gahagan Douglas during his first run for the Senate, in 1950. Your political tricks are as transparent and anti-democratic as his, it is perfectly fair to say.
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The caker came on Sunday, when Robby Mook, Clinton’s campaign manager, appeared on ABC’s “This Week” and (covering all bases) CNN’s “State of the Union” to assert that the D.N.C.’s mail was hacked “by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.” He knows this — knows it in a matter of 24 hours — because “experts” — experts he will never name — have told him so.
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Is that what disturbs you, Robby? Interesting. Unsubstantiated hocus-pocus, not the implications of these events for the integrity of Democratic nominations and the American political process? The latter is the more pressing topic, Robby. You are far too long on anonymous experts for my taste, Robby. And what kind of expert, now that I think of it, is able to report to you as to the intentions of Russian hackers — assuming for a sec that this concocted narrative has substance?
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Preposterous, readers. Join me, please, in having absolutely none of it. There is no “Russian actor” at the bottom of this swamp, to put my position bluntly. You will never, ever be offered persuasive evidence otherwise.
He mad.

Okay, so that's a lot of stuff, but I think the sound conclusion here is that Patrick Lawrence (AKA Patrick L. Smith) is so pro-Russian as to be useless. I strongly suspect he's getting paid by the Kremlin or some Russian oligarch. The fact that left-leaning outlets like The Nation and Salon are falling for this stuff is pretty depressing.
08-17-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I haven't found a good definitive source disproving this idea,
Disproving may not be possible, but they have not proved anything. A quick, good source:

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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
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In addition, it appears that those "unattainable" speeds were indeed possible over the internet.
I personally tested and got more than 3x the unattainable speed (taking care to measure MB and not Mb). I do not think that word means what they think it means.

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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Well, today I am at a location with a good internet connection and let's see what the test results are:

Download :: 617.5 Mbps 77.2 MB/s
08-17-2017 , 02:10 PM
And here's some info on the experts Lawrence is relying on.

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We might also like to know that Ray McGovern has a longstanding relationship with the fringe-iest of the fringe: Lyndon Larouche-affiliated organizations. (If you’re not familiar with financial fraud and perpetual conspiracy peddler LaRouche, do follow the links.) When his right-wing detractors pointed out this problematic connection in 2003, McGovern reportedly claimed to know nothing about LaRouche and saw “no downside” to contributing to LaRouche media. He’s had 14 years to learn, and has apparently not done so, since he’s still nattering on about the Deep State to LaRouchePAC and in fact “broke” this story to LaRouchePac before The Nation decided to give it credibility.
I didn't expect the connection to conspiracy theorists to be quite so direct.

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another one of Lawrence's experts, Kirk Wiebe, is RT’s go-to guy for general anti-CIA stories as well as conspiracy-minded ones alleging that shadowy government “monsters” controlled President Obama. We might also like to know that the group VIPS his a history of claims that Syrian chemical attacks are false flags.
08-17-2017 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Disproving may not be possible, but they have not proved anything. A quick, good source:

I personally tested and got more than 3x the unattainable speed (taking care to measure MB and not Mb). I do not think that word means what they think it means.
Thanks. I've read similar things. I hope The Nation does a good job and gets a named security professional to debunk.
08-18-2017 , 01:12 AM
08-18-2017 , 09:35 AM
It's important to remember that Assange was paid to do a TV show by Russia Today and:

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RT has been frequently described as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government[13][14][15] and its foreign policy.[13][15][16][17][18][19] RT has also been accused of spreading disinformation[19][20][21] by news reporters,[22][23] including some former RT reporters,[24][25][26] The United Kingdom media regulator, Ofcom, has repeatedly found RT to have breached rules on impartiality, and of broadcasting "materially misleading" content.[27][28][29][30]
And while the focus is rightly on Trump, there seem to be plenty of pro-Russia stooges on the left.
08-18-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DrModern
.. risotto recipe and thought "my stars!" and switched their votes to Trump? Like, I believe the hacks happened, I just don't get why they supposedly matter.
The hacks matter because we can't have foreign powers trying to influence our elections. And we have to make sure there was no collusion between Trump's people and the Russians.
08-19-2017 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
It's important to remember that Assange was paid to do a TV show by Russia Today and:



And while the focus is rightly on Trump, there seem to be plenty of pro-Russia stooges on the left.
This shouldn't be a whatbouttism moment for you.

Assange, unlike most of the other stooges of different ilks, garnered himself a large audience and is essentially using it as a propaganda tool instead of a tool for transparent governments.
08-19-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
This shouldn't be a whatbouttism moment for you.

Assange, unlike most of the other stooges of different ilks, garnered himself a large audience and is essentially using it as a propaganda tool instead of a tool for transparent governments.
No doubt. I'm just pointing out that Russia is using all sides to undermine US interests. There are a couple of analysts who made a name for themselves as Iraq War critics who are now questioning the Syrian chemical attacks. In fact, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, the group Patrick Lawrence relied upon for his article on the DNC hack, has a history of coming out with statements that line up perfectly with the Kremlin's preferred policy. Like this letter asking Obama to do nothing about Crimea--not even sanctions. And Philip Giraldi, one of VIPS's founders, gets pretty close to 9/11 trutherism.

It's kind of impressive how much Russia has going in the propaganda department.

      
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