I suppose if Sessions decided I was committing some crimes in my underwear, then perhaps he'd try to confiscate it.

For the most part, the current system doesn't allow for confiscating personal assets.

Clearly CAF is a problem that needs to be addressed.

It doesn't require junking the current system as a whole.

6ix,

Thanks for snapping me out of it. It’s like a compulsion to try to figure out where the balance is between the two.

How long were you on the tree of woe?

What post are you referring to?

It got deleted.

Fair enough but that's what I meant by trolling, not that you doing anything wrong just that you weren't being entirely serious. Because I don't think there's a way to have a serious Compare Deaths Game. It's dumb front to back on both sides.

Yes in general but einbert specifically has been going through some stressful times so I'm inclined to give him a pass for that reason alone..


It's like this: I'm an anti-capitalist leftist, basically to the point that I'd understand and not mind if I was mistaken for a communist, who spent a good many years arguing and fighting with communists for pretty much exactly these three reasons. They are some of the most dogmatic, myopic, rigid,and incurious people I've ever met. Your stance could be, "Hey, I don't even mind if you have a bloody revolution and kill a bunch of people, just make sure you have your ducks in a row first," and you'd still be labelled a filthy reformist and incrementalist.

So, I get it. But the problem in is,
people hiding behind the first when they're really the second. It's a bit dishonest for people to say Mao was an insane clown, even though he totally was, when what they really want to say is that sharing is bad.


It's not meant to be a gotcha. Like I said that whole game is just silly.

lol LK deleted both

Fascism itt!!!! or is it authoritarian communism?

Deleting those posts with no plan to replace them is poor form imo

Agree. Some views here are really out there. His is one.

Send him to a reducation camp LDO.

tomdemaine is not a communist, as he made clear in the sentence literally right before Lapidator's quote of him:

It's just funny to him (and the rest of us) that Lapidator woke up today and said "hey I'm gonna stick it to those communist supporting libs" and did such a bad job of it that the same people who told einbert to take a break from posting were like "uhhh there are some significant flaws in your argument".

Lol all tomdemaine did was describe the green square:



Like, 1/4 of the whole thing.

Batting 0 for 2 there my friend.

A lot of posts here missing the point. The point is not that communism is bad because it denies property rights, although that might also be true. The point is that the #1 question of politics is "who will wield power against whom and how will that be controlled" to which the answer of communism is "we'll give it to Just The Best People" which is laughable. All other political questions are subordinate to the question of power, since no other political aims can be accomplished without it. Communism gives far too much power to the State over individuals, and it is therefore simply a question of time before it collapses into totalitarianism.

Since I said that communism denying property rights might be bad, let me hasten to add that property rights are arbitrary nonsense. The answer to "can I please have some beachfront property in LA?" is "no because other people were there first". I was born into a world where scarce resources have already been annexed by others. This is not fair, but it's not possible to engineer a world which is "fair". I'm more interested in words like "humane" and "efficient". I think property rights help out with the second of those words, but I'm not religious about it and certainly don't believe they are a natural right.

I don't think anybody disagrees with that. The qualm lies in the moral transgressions that result from the natural progression of that philosophy.

Where's ChrisV from? He certainly sounds like a USAn.

Country of Residence: Straya

Einbert... Comments?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/cubas-pres...161410089.html

omg there's gonna be a mass exodus of liberals!

in b4 new standard retort "if you don't like it then move to Cuba"

or this is pretentious bull**** that changes effectively nothing

If there's anybody more redneck than USAns, its Aussies.

No to the first question. I'd guess he's in his 30s, but not sure.

This definitely should apply to the US today just by virtue of other countries successfully doing this but I'm not sure how long it can last. Problem is that the information/tech era has built in systems that will make inequality much larger and monopolies much easier to form.

The problem with people voting stuff in is that it should already be happening. Something like the Gini coefficient has been steadily rising in the US since the late 60s. People have no problem voting against their interests as long as the cheeto of the day pushes the right buttons.

For the first time since the 30s, the world is moving away from democracy. It's the same reaction as there was to the economic collapse of 1929. It took a decade for nationalism to spike so high that a world war started, at least we've reached the decade without dumb **** like that. Huge benefit of globalism is tying our economies to each other so strongly that any outcome of war would be lose/lose.

Yeah I don't agree with ~anything you're saying. I am not sure how free trade is taking away people's identity. And as someone from the EU, I believe I have more freedom than the Americans in the sense that I can freely travel and go work in tens of other countries without any restrictions. I feel like it's just an extra option to life that I can enjoy, I don't feel like it's taking away any identity. It's better to be able to explore instead of being locked up in a room.