WHAT A LIBERAL ECHO CHAMBER OF RAMPANT GROUPTHINK, AMIRITE

I tend to agree with most of Crossnerd's points in this argument, but I also think she's going a bit too far, which is kind of becoming her thing in this forum. I was called a sexist for supporting a male candidate in the primary and criticizing one aspect of Warren's candidacy, which is a pretty laughable allegation from anyone who reads these forums.

Now the entire forum is sexist scum? Alrighty, then. I wonder how many others here marched for women's rights in the last few years? I'm guessing quite a few of us. If we're all sexist scum, society is even more ****ed than we think it is.

I think one person used it. I stopped arguing with people attacking Melania for that stuff, because the last time I did (Facebook), I went hard in the paint only to have half the female members of the group yelling back at me that she WAS a w-word and I didn't know what I was talking about and should STFU... Sadly there are way more people on the left than we'd like to admit who are just as morally bankrupt as those on the right, but on Team Blue... So they'll defend Biden to the bitter end just like they defended Franken to the bitter end, and they'll call Melania and Ivanka all the sexist names in the book when there's plenty of low-hanging fruit to rip them for, too.

I do think it's fair to question her morality based on her life choices then and now, but I also think there are way better ways to criticize her, so I use those. At the end of the day, she knew she wasn't marrying an angel, and we can all make a pretty clear guess about why she chose to marry him, and now we can see the type of stuff she stands for and pushes for. We certainly shouldn't absolve her of Trump's sins when she's wearing an "I really don't care, do u?" coat in public.

Meanwhile, in another thread Inso0 is openly proclaiming that he gives zero ****s about kids in cages because it's not that big of a deal for him... But by all means, pretend that sexism is the last bad thing that's totally sanctioned. There's lots of awful **** totally sanctioned. Hopefully we'll get to it all in our lifetimes, although I doubt we will... But the least we can do is work together on all of it rather than sniping at allies.

Read the posts. That's not team crossnerd, that's team microbet.

Were Jim Crow laws and de facto segregation not racist? Because I can assure you, they were popular and mainstream.

What, you think I can't handle it or something? Yeah, the mode I'm in is the appropriate one for when some guy who throws out the 'whore' word like it doesn't matter,

Here, take a look at your brethren.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...pdate-1586139/

Go ahead, tell me how this mentality doesn't affect me, how its totally not going to get me raped someday.

GET YOUR **** TOGETHER. I'M HERE TO HELP YOU.

Pump this *makes eat my pussy gesture*

Prediction:

You don't get to call women 'whore's. Expect this kind of **** show every time.

Ok, I guess crossnerd walked back the idea that Melania can't be criticised for living her life with a fascist scumbag. Sorta. Close enough.

I think the calling her ugly and a whore should stop and if that's the result here it's all good imo.

Maybe you guys don't get it. That kind of language *hurts ME*. It *endagers ME*. It makes *MY world* less safe.

You think this is a freak out? You sweet summer children.

STOP SAYING 'WHORE'.

This is a thing that blindsided me because perhaps I wasn't as aware as I should be, but the #MeToo movement has exposed a whole lot of people on the left. Biden, Franken... Weinstein is ostensibly a Hollywood liberal, R Kelley is no deplorable. Even in super-liberal NPR territory you've got Garrison Keillor and Tom Ashbrook getting canned for being *******s.

The left needs to understand that this isn't a conservative problem, it's a male problem.

Have you read literally any of the responses to your posts

of course, but i wouldn't want to delete the posts made by those people if we were in that time. that's my only issue.

my beliefs on the topic are aligned with and have been thoroughly presented by wellnamed and i don't have more to add.

If you mean even typing the word as opposed to calling someone it.....um maybe. I was really just thinking it was calling someone it, not typing the word out in reference to using the word.

You don't get to use that word toward a woman. Anything that comes from me after that word is used toward a woman should be totally allowed.

it always ruins a joke to explain the joke but the joke is that melania is married to the #1 cyberbully in the world, potentially of all time, and she chose as her signature cause as first lady to "end cyberbullying". this is a huge joke, obviously. and you might even think it's a signal to her husband. but then! she claims in an interview with abc news

"I could say I'm the most bullied person on the world," Trump told ABC News in an interview during her first major solo trip to Africa last week when asked what personally made her want to tackle the issue of cyberbullying.

"You're really the most bullied person in the world?" ABC News' Tom Llamas asked during the exchange.

"One of them, if you really see what people saying about me," Trump said.

and that's making the joke 10x more absurd because i talk politics with a bunch of people and i post here and i had NEVER seen someone attempt to cyberbully melania because, like, why? why even spend the effort? she's nobody. she means nothing to anyone, she's a completely worthless human. so the idea that anyone would even bother to cyberbully her is hilarious. plus she'll never see it. what is she, READING online?? lol she can barely speak, she probably just stares at a blank wall all day.

Why is that thread supposed to be indicative of my brethren? Because it's on TwoPlusTwo? I skimmed 50 posts for usernames and didn't see any Politics regs. Are we supposed to be going through every forum on here policing it? I mean, we're having a hard enough time keeping white supremacists out of this one without losing it all together because we're way too liberal.

Or are all men responsible for all the horrible things any men anywhere say? Cause I can and often but not always do indicate when they say something ****ty, but I'm not going to go around getting into fist fights every time I hear some ******* say something sexist at a bar or whatever. If that makes me a part of the problem in your eyes, so be it. I'm more inclined to get involved politically.

I think very few of the dudes on this forum have that mentality or support that mentality. So it seems odd that you're coming at us with guns blazing. And I don't think you're going to hear most of us defending rape culture by any stretch, and you can probably find threads here about cases that got a lot of news coverage in which you can see some bad but also a lot of good posting. Hopefully way more good than bad.

That said, you're wasting your time dredging the depths of TwoPlusTwo for ****ty posts about women to try to make a point. If you look around this forum, you'll be able to find some critiques of 2p2 culture in that or similar regards, although a lot of it may be tempered out of a desire for self-preservation.

Sorry if that type of posting in some other forum on here by some jackass makes you feel unsafe, but I don't think it should... and I say that knowing full-well that there are tons of things in every day life/society/etc that probably do make you feel unsafe, and for very good reason... and as a man I am sorry that it's that way, I am sad that it's still that way in 2019, and I empathize and try to think about what that would feel like to be in that situation... and I try to think about how we can improve that in day to day life and politically.

I also get that ****ty posting from ****ty men online along similar lines to the one you pointed out in the Ray Bitar thread DOES have an impact on our culture and on the safety of women, but holy **** I wish TwoPlusTwo was actually a major part of the problem, then I'd feel like we were making way more progress than we are. I don't even want to poke my head around the places that are evil and disgusting too often, I just want to defeat them politically and make them realize they are not welcome to talk or act that way in society.

So don't take my minimization of that post as some broad critique... But I do think if you're going to try to attack the regular posters in this forum on that issue and use that post as evidence, you should probably stop and think a bit about who you're talking to, how we actually feel, what our actual posting history/views/thoughts/real life actions have been on these issues, and then reconsider. I would hope you'd come to a very different conclusion.

Again, I think you think posts like this are just totally kosher and not dripping in internalized sexism, but they're actually really disgusting.

Is it? I didn't think Crossnerd was against calling out Melania for the specific person (Donald Trump) she chose to marry (as opposed to simply "marrying a rich dude").

That's sure interesting, because it says here:

Emphasis mine. It's literally a fundamental rule to this site that you don't want that stuff posted here.

almost every single one of us is sensitive to your concern/belief that the word "whore" should not be used, and here you are still going on like a crazy person. this thread isn't all about you, so stop ****ing making it that way because you are truly insufferable and about to go the **** on ignore like every other ****ty POG reg that gave us the misfortune of posting here

I'm a good guy, those guys are the bad guys, don't blame me ladies, NEWS AT ****ING 11 EVERYBODY

That doesn't make things clear at all

jesus ****ing christ almighty

You can tongue my clit, rep lol. I don't give a **** about your opinion.

If things were as you say, good guys, I've had expected you to call out that kind of language yourselves. Don't carp at me for raising issue with something that affects me.

I could give less than a **** about "progressive" men who consistently fall short of being real allies to women.

YOU do better. Police yourselves, not me.