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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Sure that is a legitimate point Johnny. It's insensitive for sure. I'm not here to rack up points either bro. As you said though, those comments were made in the heat of an emotional argument, so I don't think they necessarily reflect the tone of the forum in general. That's why I asked you sincerely about sexist posts outside of this thread, in order to analyze those and bring this discussion to where I thought you wanted it to go, instead of making it solely about CN.
Realizing the fact that something like the above, for example, can slip by me (us) is where I want this to go. I frankly do not notice when things like the above happen in real time, and that is exactly what I think deserves scrutiny. I know for a fact I have made plenty of comments/jokes like the ones that got called out, and worse, and likely even in posts on this site. As I mentioned before I believe men are victims of this dynamic also, not in that we are victimized by it to near the same degree, but in that our entire lives are within it. We are all going to **** up plenty, and that's not the point. The part I want to get to is how can we discuss this **** honestly among ourselves and without a ton of affect so that we don't have to wait for one of the few females around here to object in order for it to be worthy of discussion? And I am NOT talking about oh, let's call out every infraction. I am not going to do that and not interested in it. The only reason I posted the above example is that you asked for one and it was recent and easy to identify, not to make it a big thing out of it. I am sure there are plenty of other examples that we all could find if we want. Like, Rep used the word ***** in a post. Well, know what? In the heat of the debate here I found myself wanting to use the same term about the people complaining about the derails, and if not that some other emasculating term, and aside from that, feeling sensitive about how emasculating it is to go to bat on the side of feminism and alllll the connotations that go along with it. That is the meat I want to get to...not policing behavior, asking ourselves what we want to do and who we want to really be. This is the most liberal place I visit online, and if WE can't do it who the **** can? The first question we should ask ourselves is why we are compelled to pick up the same weapons and wield them in similar ways that the right does?
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Also I do think that if someone says something offensive to you, addressing the comment in a less offensive but still objectively offensive way is bad, but natural and not the biggest moral transgression. If a black dude came up to me and said "I had a really rough childhood, was called the n-word a few times at school. It was just like being in the holocaust." I might be direct and respond "That's a ****ed up comparison" or I might get defensive and say something sarcastic like "Well it sounds like you survived at least poor guy." That doesn't mean I'm not acknowledging the effect of the n-word.
Man, I guess. You have zero idea what CN's personal history is, and really you could make the same argument for HER reaction. That is aside from the fact that bolded is a hell of a lot of poetic license on her statements. Anyway, again the part that interests me most in all this is what the **** can men in the most liberal place that I personally have found, figure out amongst ourselves about our own participation in systemic sexism? How much do we want to? It is something I think about a lot and I want to talk about it with other men who are smart and give a **** and want to improve their roles. Of course, I want input from women too, but how we act is primarily a men's issue.
I'm going to cross post this in the sexism thread so if we want to continue it, and I hope we do, it won't make the...ummm.......complainers any....um.....complainier.