Bringing my internet life full circle: there's a facebook page devoted to teaching sociology that my wife participates in which is currently experiencing a full nuclear meltdown involving an argument about whether or not rules against personal attacks are racist because they preclude PoC from calling out perceived racism in the group.

Yeah, flipped them around by accident. It is diagnosed four times as often in women as in men. Thanks for catching that.

Tblisi

Trains

I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that.

So it's not just 2+2 that wrestles with the most important question of our time: Is it worse to express racist views or to criticize someone for expressing racist views?

The topic was night trains.

Tbilisi is the capital of Georgia.

It was a reference to the song "Midnight Train to Georgia" by Gladys Knight & The Pips.

You'd probably frame it differently if you read this particular internet drama. What passes for "expressing racist views" for a bunch of professional sociologists is a little bit different than for 2p2 posters, I'd say. But the common theme is certainly the underlying debate about how to enforce anti-racist norms, and disagreements between more and less radical thresholds for what constitutes racism.

This is great, I'm sad I didn't get it.

Yeah, very solid gag, undermined by my ignorance of geography and of Motown.

Agreed. Also for the love of god please put discussion of the playground thread in its own thread.

Ah. I know where Tblisi is but don't know that song, which probably makes me the opposite of 99% of people.

Yeah, the bolded. I read the first part and was like "wat?"

I usually feel like a ****ing moron when I miss a couple of days and everyone is talking about something and I have no idea what they're talking about but I am soooo thankful I have no idea what augie has been up to

You really need to go back a few pages and read about it. It is like the most hilarious and fitting end to augie’s modship possible. I’m not kidding, it’s ****ing hysterical, it was happening while I was eating lunch in a restaurant and i kept laughing out loud.

Just start reading from this post.

LA - chewing people up and sending them back to podunksville with their tail between their legs since forever.

Is what passes for personal attacks for a bunch of professional sociologists is a little bit different than for 2p2 posters as well?

Not so much!

You were hodoring for augie in atf as being a troll and totally not a white supremacist. Your judgment isn't that good.

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Wife's professor colleague didn't get a contract renewed in large part because it became known that he was f***ing a student or two. There were mixed views in the dept on this but I was shocked he didn't get insta-fired once this became known. Ethically I think it's pretty heinous.

So would that mean I'd be inconsistent to not feel equally outraged about Bill Clinton or whichever POTUS f***ing 20-something interns? Believe the power dynamics make this not rape but not purely consensual either, if that makes sense.

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Realizing the fact that something like the above, for example, can slip by me (us) is where I want this to go. I frankly do not notice when things like the above happen in real time, and that is exactly what I think deserves scrutiny. I know for a fact I have made plenty of comments/jokes like the ones that got called out, and worse, and likely even in posts on this site. As I mentioned before I believe men are victims of this dynamic also, not in that we are victimized by it to near the same degree, but in that our entire lives are within it. We are all going to **** up plenty, and that's not the point. The part I want to get to is how can we discuss this **** honestly among ourselves and without a ton of affect so that we don't have to wait for one of the few females around here to object in order for it to be worthy of discussion? And I am NOT talking about oh, let's call out every infraction. I am not going to do that and not interested in it. The only reason I posted the above example is that you asked for one and it was recent and easy to identify, not to make it a big thing out of it. I am sure there are plenty of other examples that we all could find if we want. Like, Rep used the word ***** in a post. Well, know what? In the heat of the debate here I found myself wanting to use the same term about the people complaining about the derails, and if not that some other emasculating term, and aside from that, feeling sensitive about how emasculating it is to go to bat on the side of feminism and alllll the connotations that go along with it. That is the meat I want to get to...not policing behavior, asking ourselves what we want to do and who we want to really be. This is the most liberal place I visit online, and if WE can't do it who the **** can? The first question we should ask ourselves is why we are compelled to pick up the same weapons and wield them in similar ways that the right does?
Man, I guess. You have zero idea what CN's personal history is, and really you could make the same argument for HER reaction. That is aside from the fact that bolded is a hell of a lot of poetic license on her statements. Anyway, again the part that interests me most in all this is what the **** can men in the most liberal place that I personally have found, figure out amongst ourselves about our own participation in systemic sexism? How much do we want to? It is something I think about a lot and I want to talk about it with other men who are smart and give a **** and want to improve their roles. Of course, I want input from women too, but how we act is primarily a men's issue.

I'm going to cross post this in the sexism thread so if we want to continue it, and I hope we do, it won't make the...ummm.......complainers any....um.....complainier.

Students in his class or students at the university. It sounds like the former, but could be either as written.

In his class.

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my friend's brother got kidney stones, and the doctor told him it was because he was eating too much

DB,

Is his name Chip Lambert?