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03-28-2017 , 08:39 AM

#151

DudeImBetter

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How compatible is ACism and religion?

03-28-2017 , 09:22 AM

#152

TrollyWantACracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

How compatible is ACism and religion?

What are their signs?

03-28-2017 , 03:30 PM

#153

Autocratic

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

How compatible is ACism and religion?

They both require rigorous adhesion to one's virginity.

03-28-2017 , 03:35 PM

#154

AllTheCheese

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03-28-2017 , 09:24 PM

#155

Borodog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

How compatible is ACism and religion?

Plenty of Christian anarchocapitalists. Also plenty of athiest ancaps.

03-29-2017 , 10:12 AM

#156

pokerponcho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

@5ive's not necessarily entirely serious post,

The government, capitalized or not, is part of everything on that list. Libertarians, or at least the Libertarian Party, would seem a lot more credible to me if opposition to the military, the police state, prisons and the drug war figured more prominently. They seem primarily directed only where they overlap with the Republican Party.

You can check the LP platform at your leisure. You clearly haven't yet.

03-29-2017 , 10:23 AM

#157

pokerponcho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

You only have to twist yourself into knots to refute the idea that taxes are theft if you erroneously think that theft is wrong (except in the most extreme life and death situations). I once posted a hypothetical scenario where some smart African kid figured out a way to grab a thousand a month from some American billionaire, via computer, and claimed he was doing nothing wrong if it was getting his family out of poverty.

Borodog didn't like that post of course but strangely didn't argue with my point. Rather he merely said that I shouldn't publicly be writing such things.

Taking this back to the real world, my stance is that past some insanely large bankroll, you should not find it immoral if someone tries to steal from you.

First point, nobody faults anyone for trying to survive in the survival of the fittest contest. Second point, wealth and property is maintained by the government, so not necessarily justly aquired. This is more or less the "Property is Impossible".

03-29-2017 , 12:17 PM

#158

pokerponcho

journeyman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

How compatible is ACism and religion?

Anarchism promotes a certain skepticism of authority. Walter Block once belived in God. Robert Murphy is a Christian. I don't think organized religion is consistent with libertarianism.

03-29-2017 , 12:29 PM

#159

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by pokerponcho

Anarchism promotes a certain skepticism of authority. Walter Block once belived in God. Robert Murphy is a Christian. I don't think organized religion is consistent with libertarianism.

Of course it is consistent. You can be a skeptic of authority, but the entire point of AC is voluntary associations - you can choose to be associated with anything you want as long as it isn't hurting another.

I know several AC Christians.

I agree that ACism will generally lead to questioning of authority, which can lead to atheism, but it certainly isn't a rule, in any sense.

03-29-2017 , 12:35 PM

#160

pokerponcho

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So what should/does libertarianism say about the Catholic church? I think there are some observable degrees of coersion that occurs in organized religion as it becomes large and hierarchical.

03-29-2017 , 12:45 PM

#161

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerponcho

So what should/does libertarianism say about the Catholic church? I think there are some observable degrees of coersion that occurs in organized religion as it becomes large and hierarchical.

It is a voluntary association where people are free to believe what they want, so what is the observable coercion you see?

I think with regard to religion, things become tricky because parent's raise their kids to follow a religion, and there is little choice for the children.

But, I was raised in a Christian Orthodox church and became an atheist when I was 13-14 years old. So, IDK.

03-29-2017 , 01:01 PM

#162

pokerponcho

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I have mixed feelings with religion. There is the boy loving in the catholic church which thrives on obedience and should be abolished imho. But others handle their beliefs just fine without using force. I do think that families and family pressure is a form of psychological coersion, especially young. I do not think when I believed in the Christian it was voluntary, nor every offering in an offering plate is voluntary. Some churches are very bad such as Scientology. If I was forced to be religious, I'd be a Satanist.

03-29-2017 , 03:15 PM

#163

DudeImBetter

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Historically it's hard to ignore how church & state worked together to centralize power and influence tho

03-29-2017 , 04:58 PM

#164

microbet

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https://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...-and-the-state

03-29-2017 , 05:08 PM

#165

Paul D

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It's too bad that guy disliked Jews.

03-29-2017 , 05:21 PM

#166

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

It's too bad that guy disliked Jews.

Yeah. Proudhon wanted all Jews killed.

I'd say though that "disliked Jews" was not a rare sentiment in Euroland in the 19th century. (or a lot of other centuries as well)

03-29-2017 , 05:57 PM

#167

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Originally Posted by zikzak

Page 3 so this need requoting.

03-30-2017 , 03:31 AM

#168

pokerponcho

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Ron Paul is a Christian, and has done much for liberty. Also the Ron Paul vs the Republicans in the debates show the contrast in positions and basically Ron Paul rocked it. Though no one is perfect, all about the religion of Ron Paul.

03-30-2017 , 10:30 AM

#169

kerowo

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Didn't Ron Paul spend his whole career raising campaign money that didn't get spent on campaigns and sending out racist pamphlets to scare people into giving him money?

03-30-2017 , 10:36 AM

#170

tomdemaine

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Didn't Ron Paul spend his whole career raising campaign money that didn't get spent on campaigns and sending out racist pamphlets to scare people into giving him money?

He spent some time giving speeches to confederate societies too, and some time shilling survival products on wingnut radio shows.

03-30-2017 , 10:42 AM

#171

kerowo

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And yet Ken Griffey Jr gets the statue....

03-30-2017 , 11:24 AM

#172

Ineedaride2

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Originally Posted by Borodog

Another hilarious use of that feature is to watch videos at half speed. Basically everyone sounds drunk and/or ******ed. Donald Trump is especially good.

Good way to pick up on harder guitar parts, too.

03-30-2017 , 11:25 AM

#173

Ineedaride2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Autocratic

They both require rigorous adhesion to one's virginity.

Still doing standup?

03-30-2017 , 05:18 PM

#174

Borodog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ineedaride2

Good way to pick up on harder guitar parts, too.

This is how I first noticed everyone sounds drunk/******ed; slowing down songs and lessons.

03-31-2017 , 10:45 PM

#175

Paul McSwizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Nice!

Ummm, any forum posting is probably a good indication of that. When I tell friends I used to post on a forum, I get some weird looks. We're a weird group, forum posters are.

To be fair, this. My girlfriend's friend was staying with us during the election and I mentioned to him that I was browsing the politics section of a poker forum. He thought it was weird; I reflected on it and realized yeah, ****'s pretty weird. Nothing wrong with it. But it's weird.

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