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Old 04-07-2017, 03:27 PM   #201
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Re: America Going to War with Syria!

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Reuters is being awfully hasty. How do they know those aren't Chinese planes taking off with American pilots masquerading as ISIS fighters after the Saudis bought the airfield?
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:37 PM   #202
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With all the talk about how Trump's low poll numbers weaken his presidency I've been surprised no one in the media pointed out they've also increased the likelihood Trump might launch a military action to raise them. This Syria strike will probably do just that but still no one in the media has mentioned the possible link. Maybe there is none and maybe it shouldn't be mentioned. I really don't know. If it were Obama you can bet Fox would be talking it up.

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Near sure Anderson Cooper pointed this out last night.
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Old 04-07-2017, 03:39 PM   #203
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It's important to remember that if Trump did want to use military action to boost his approval numbers and impact the news cycle, he could have just significantly ramped up strikes on ISIS. He didn't need a conspiracy, he had an option all along.
Bombing ISIS = yawn.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:14 PM   #204
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The Gulf of Tonkin did not involve the US committing a war crime against ****ing civilians.

You can't even do conspirtarding right, you're supposed to namecheck Operation Northwoods here
Thanks of reminding of an even better example. Proves my point even better that we are capable of anything.

Gulf of Tonkin clearly led to an increase in U.S. activities in Vietnam under false pretenses including what I would argue were war crimes. Agent Orange. Total disregard for civilian casualties. What about that isn't relevant?
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:23 PM   #205
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Reuters is being awfully hasty. How do they know those aren't Chinese planes taking off with American pilots masquerading as ISIS fighters after the Saudis bought the airfield?
How about when Trudeau says there are continuing questions about who is really responsible?
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:26 PM   #206
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How about when Trudeau says there are continuing questions about who is really responsible?
How about you link to what he said.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:36 PM   #207
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Thanks of reminding of an even better example. Proves my point even better that we are capable of anything.

Gulf of Tonkin clearly led to an increase in U.S. activities in Vietnam under false pretenses including what I would argue were war crimes. Agent Orange. Total disregard for civilian casualties. What about that isn't relevant?
Since I'm not an immensely ill-informed local crazy person, I didn't need a ****ing example from history to conceive of the concept of "a lie".

The question isn't "could American authorities be lying", the question is "are they", and your attempt at an alternative theory here involves BASHAR ASSAD being in on the conspiracy against himself.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:36 PM   #208
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I will apologize for being out of the loop a bit - it looks like he is now 100% on board with blaming Assad.

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017...-tells-commons

That was not his position earlier Thursday. It looks like once he was told the U.S. was going to go ahead and strike anyway (one hour before they did) without doing a full investigation that he decided it better to play along.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:37 PM   #209
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Since I'm not an immensely ill-informed local crazy person, I didn't need a ****ing example from history to conceive of the concept of "a lie".

The question isn't "could American authorities be lying", the question is "are they", and your attempt at an alternative theory here involves BASHIR ASSAD being in on the conspiracy against himself.
**** you, stop calling me crazy. *******.

My alternative theory does not involve Assad being in a conspiracy against himself, what the ****?
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:44 PM   #210
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Covert U.S. forces have been in Syria for a while now. I absolutely do not put it past the U.S. to infiltrate the Syrian air force and plant or convince an individual to do something like this in order to create justification for an attack.
This is your theory, and it is absolutely ****ing bonkers.

Rogue Syrian airforce people, planted by the CIA, did it and for some reason the non-rogue Syrians are covering that up.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:48 PM   #211
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Ok, where in that does it say that Assad is working against himself?

Where does it say that non-rogue Syrians (who?) are covering it up?
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:52 PM   #212
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Uh, this **** happened several days ago. You can't just get ****ing Sarin gas out of the depot, load up a plane, and fly back without anyone noticing. If that is what had happened, Assad would be parading the unmasked foreign traitors down main street for a show trial. If he can't figure out who they are, he'd say exactly your story! He has access to state run media, he could say "I learned of this tragedy with all of you and I pledge to find the people responsible".
Instead, this,

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The government of Mr. Assad, who renounced chemical weapons nearly four years ago after a large chemical attack that American intelligence agencies concluded was carried out by his forces, denied that his military had been responsible, as he has done every time chemical munitions have been used in Syria.

A statement from the Syrian military accused insurgents of responsibility and said they had accused the army of using toxic weapons “every time they fail to achieve the goals of their sponsors.”

We're not taking America's version of the story at face value. We're critically evaluating all possible options, and "Assad gassed his people, again, because he's a ****ing monster" is the only explanation that is supported by the facts. Your version makes no ****ing sense! Hope this helps you get called crazy less often in the days and weeks to come.

So here's how crazy you are: you're running crazier fan fiction PR for a dictator than the people who are actually on that guy's payroll. Good work, dude, definitely keep patronizing us from that soapbox
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:56 PM   #213
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Re: America Going to War with Syria!

Not to derail too much--theballer, who do you believe is responsible for the 9/11 attacks? Sandy Hook?
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:04 PM   #214
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why would the syrian president gas his own people 3 days after being told that he will still be in place and the rebels are on their heels, 99% sure its a last ditch attempt by turkey to keeps this pointless war going and keep the usa in the war
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:07 PM   #215
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An alternative could be that the Syrian rebels became desperate after Trump said he could live with Assad in power. They created the event to shift opinion.
But there is no proof that they had access to this kind of weapons.

So basically we have Assad who actually had no reason to do something like that which would hurt him after Trump said he could change how the US wanted to go forward with Syria. But he had access to the weapons.
And you have the Anti-Assad troops who were forced back and needed help desperatly but for all we know they had no access to these kind of weapons.
Or it wasn't Assad who ordered it. Just some local Syrian army commander who had an alternative motive.
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NYT: The Grim Logic Behind Syria’s Chemical Weapons Attack

tldr: dictator Assad uses brutal force against opposition because they are opposition.
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Assad had the same reason dictators always hand. Keep people in line.
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Rebels captured with Sarin at Turkish border:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/exp...=238&nid=48064
And again rebels captured with Sarin:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/un-...=238&nid=47985
Because the Turkish government was planning on staging a false flag attack to justify intervention in Syria:
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/turkey-youtube-ban/
Turkish Whistleblowers Corroborate Story On False Flag Chemical Weapons Attack In Syria:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/...tack-in-syria/
And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:10 PM   #216
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We already have boots on the ground in the area and have for a couple of years.
I mean a general boots on the ground offensive against the Russian backed Syrian government, not the current situation of having special forces advisors helping some of the rebels.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:13 PM   #217
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Man, I'm on mobile, so it's too hard to do, but can someone please post the rainbow for:

"To top it all off, the Syrian Army already denied responsibility."
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:16 PM   #218
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And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

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Old 04-07-2017, 05:20 PM   #219
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The Turkey supplies al-Nusra with sarin theory was pushed for the 2013 attack. There's loads of articles arguing both sides, encourage people to go off and read them. In my opinion the evidence for any non state forces possessing the materials is suspect, and that doesn't begin to address how they would weaponise and deliver it, but no need to take my word for anything.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:20 PM   #220
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:25 PM   #221
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why would the syrian president gas his own people 3 days after being told that he will still be in place and the rebels are on their heels, 99% sure its a last ditch attempt by turkey to keeps this pointless war going and keep the usa in the war
He doesn't think of them as 'his people'.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:31 PM   #223
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Malcolm Nance (retired Naval officer, anti-terrorism) was interviewed last night on MSNBC. He said, among other things, that the U.S. gov had superior satellite observation tech all the way back in the Cold War than the highest resolution available on Google Earth right now. Accordingly, American intel will have ~every aspect of Syrian forces mapped out, all the bunkers etc.

so when the U.S. reports
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Syrian fixed-wing aircraft dropped chemical weapons on civilians in Idlib earlier this week, two U.S. military officials told NBC News.

The U.S. military saw the aircraft on a radar and watched them drop the bombs, the officials said. The radar soon picked up the flashes and booms in the rebel-held area of Syria.

The bombs hit a hospital in an area where the al-Nusra Front operates damaging operating rooms and injuring medical professionals, the officials said.

Soon after, civilians on the ground began responding in a way that is consistent with exposure to a nerve agent documented in horrific images of people writhing in pain, coughing and young children gasping for air.
It then seems unlikely the U.S. would be wrong in their assessment of the radar data. They would probably need to be purposely lying (a conspiracy) to report as they did if it were not true.

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Old 04-07-2017, 05:42 PM   #224
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And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical

And to top it all off, the Syrian Army has already denied any responsibility to using chemical
Beautiful. Thank you, sir.
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:11 PM   #225
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So you call me an imbecile and insane because I don't take our governments stance at face value?

Gulf of Tonkin? Anyone?
I didn't call you an imbecile. I implied you share the insight and understanding of the imbeciles who are espousing the same ridiculous nonsense you are.

Just because a conspiracy existed in the past doesn't mean any ridiculous conspiracy you can dream up has validity. Because if that is your stance you are ostensibly a sandy hook truther.

You still have to do the work if you choose to back the absolutely least likely scenario.
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