You seriously dispute this? How many sources do you require? Google is your friend you know.... but I thought everyone was aware of this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/op...d-hostage.html

I'm fairly certain this can reasonably be thought of as Castro egging the Russians on.....

No goal post shifting plz.... I never said the US had pristine hands, but it is a fact that Castro pleaded with Moscow to nuke America fully understanding every Cuban and Russian on the island would be incinerated.

Crippling the capitalist bogie man for decades was worthy of martyrdom in his opinion.

np,

What you're saying is close enough to an accurate description of your quote that I don't understand why you'd leave out the part about "if America invades Cuba". You want to make your point a tiny bit stronger at the cost of an exaggeration that everyone can quite easily see? Certainly in a hostile internet argument that's mostly going to get you dismissed, but whatever. I'm willing to read the quote and see that you have a point, though it has nothing to do with NK and you have no reason for thinking KJU has much in common with Castro.

You have two nations ready to send the entire world into a nuclear winter Armageddon and yet somehow you think Castro is the supervillain. Just amazing.

Yeah. Here's some marching towards armageddon and one of many many things which by itself is reason enough to call trump Trump the worst President ever:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_START

And, without irony, thanks Obama.

So in your learned opinion Castro wasn't egging the Russians on? I got it now, thanks. America had something like 9 times the nuclear weapons and a huge advantage in delivery vehicles and had already invaded Cuba. The Us had Thor missiles stationed in England and Jupiter C missiles in Turkey as well as a huge advantage in every non conventional. Russia wasn't launching vs the USA absent an attack on Russia and you have Khrushchev's words on that.

Castro was screaming for the Ruskies to shoot at US spy planes etc, but I'm wrong.... he wasn't egging Russia on.

Still interested in America's best course of action here..... ask for more "negotiations" while your boy perfects his re-entry vehicles?

No... I merely said factually Castro was egging Kruschev on toward an all out strike and he was. But I understand it is taboo to criticize an all time hero here....

Castro was and remained a supervillian to his dying day.

The best course is first strike before they can hit us?

Interestingly enough, I don't know, but I don't think that is the best way. I think raising the heat on China is our best bet.... but I am open to better ideas.... have any?

We could try to convince Russia to stop supplying them with rocket and nuclear technology, perhaps?

Trump and his boys are in such cahoots with Putin it should be a cinch play....

Well he could at least try to get something from Putin in return for being his ***** instead of just tweeting about China.

This is pretty much the opposite of what I said. I said that you had a point and therefore had no reason to exaggerate and that the obvious exaggeration could only hurt your credibility. I said that I was going to overlook that and affirm that you had a point.

I don't know if you aren't reading other people's posts or if you are unable to understand them. I'm going to once again be very generous and assume that you just like the look of your own typing* and aren't reading closely.

*I don't give you credit for being able to decipher this. It's a play on "sound of one's own voice" which is a common expression. You're probably not reading this far into someone else's post though, but I think this isn't a total waste because it might be mildly entertaining to others.

Of course I had a point.... history.

Ignoring the late great Fidel.... what is you learned position NK and how should we try to stop him from getting the capacity to stymie us with an implied threat.

Basically the 1994 treaty in good faith, though as I mentioned before I think we should let Sweden take the lead and at least mediate. They have relationships with all the key countries here. I doubt we really need to give much aid to NK, but that could make sense. It's more important that sanctions are lifted, relations improve, trade allowed, all military elements back off including our forces, SKs and the joint exercises where we practice invading NK, decapitating their leadership and nuking them.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2004/03/2....html?referer=

Originally from

https://www.caat.org.uk/resources/co...bya/uk-gaddafi

Blair loves dictators though which skews this quite a bit, however no British prime minister wipes his own arse before checking with the Whitehouse first, so rest assured the US was well aware of all this.

if that is your source I guess we have to disagree on what constitutes "good relations".

Good relations as in we sold him a load of weapons to keep himself in power. The foreign office was up Gadaddfi's backside right up until the Arab Spring. Obviously it's all about selling guns but that's "international cooperation" for you.

A Defence Co-operation agreement was signed by Blair and Gaddafi in the Libyan town of Sirte on 29 May 2007. It included training in operational planning processes, staff training, and command and control and the acquisition of equipment and defence systems (Daily Mail, 1.3.2011).

Throughout this period, Libya was invited to the DSEI arms fair in London (to the 2005, 2007 and 2009 events - see CAAT's DSEI pages), and in 2010 it sent a military delegation to Farnborough International. At Farnborough, either the Head of UKTI DSO or its Senior Military Advisor met or had lunch with the delegation on each of the five trade days (see CAAT's Farnborough 2010 delegations page).

The UK and companies based in the UK were also regular visitors to arms fairs in Libya. NMS International organised the UK pavilion of 50 British companies at the Libyan Defence, Security and Safety Exhibition (Libdex) arms fairs in 2008 (Guardian, 21.2.2011) and November 2010 (NMS website, 21.2.2011). UKTI DSO exhibited at Libdex in 2010 with army specialists in attendance (Telegraph, 3.4.2011). It also had a presence at another arms fair, the Libyan Aviation Exhibition (LAVEX), in 2009 (UKTI DSO letter, 21.7.2009, pdf).

In 2007, General Dynamics UK won a £85 million contract to supply a state-of-the-art command and control system for an elite Libyan army brigade named after and commanded by Gaddafi's son Khamis (Telegraph, 25.9.2011). Preparation for work on T-72 tanks was taking place as the 2011 uprising began, with the company beginning to evacuate staff on 19 February (Telegraph, 8.9.2011).

MBDA
In 2007 Gaddafi was reported to have awarded MBDA, a company part-owned (37.5%) by BAE Systems, a £199 million contract for Milan anti-tank missiles and communications systems (Reuters, 3.8.2007).

So the US is saying that we will never accept a nuclear NK.

OK.

What's the plan then? How are we doing this?

Step 1. Build time machine.

What the claim that Kim is not rational really means is that the poster does not know the rationale behind getting nukes.

The current contretemps with NK is following a well-worn script, people just don't remember the last round.

North Korea thrives on confrontation with the US, Japan, and South Korea. It is how the regime justifies its impoverishing militarization. NK stirs things up every decade or two, then shows its people that it protects them through brave resistance. The public is regularly reminded of how dangerous NK's enemies are.

Nukes fit well into this practice. When the U.S. has to contemplate losing a city, it has to be more careful in responding to NK's periodic provocations. Washington cannot consider liquidating the NK regime like it did Saddam, Qadaffi, Manuel Noriega, Jacabo Arbeniz, Mossadegh, etc.

The NK regime now has an improved shield protecting its combative foreign policy. Most North Korean people are probably relieved that David now faces Goliath with a nuke in his sling.

It may be horrible, but it is not an irrational regime. Periods of strife and confrontation are followed by negotiations and improved relations.

Is literally no one in the White House concerned he might end humanity? Like wtf

The dick swinging has gone too far!

I mean, there's gotta be a greater than zero chance this is all by design. The wealthy get the money and power, nuke the world, kill off the poors, and start over under their terms.