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Old 04-16-2017, 06:17 PM   #101
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If Hillary had brought Refugees over like she wanted to we'd be in a huge crisis right now. Trump isn't perfect, but this move in NK has pros and cons. It's very risky and there are ways it can pay off and ways it can **** up for sure.
Hot refugee take alert.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:29 PM   #102
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What's going on here?

China, Russia chasing US ship near Korean Peninsula

Yes, it is the Carl Vinson. Maybe an alarmist headline because it looks like they're just gathering intel. So far.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:32 PM   #103
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Are dummies actually arguing trump better than Clinton in this thread?

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Old 04-16-2017, 08:36 PM   #104
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Are dummies actually arguing trump better than Clinton in this thread?

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...in a thread covering the actions of Trump starting WW3 during his first 100 days. Oh. The. Irony.
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:44 PM   #105
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So Pence to the DMZ in an hour or so. Is this where the U.S. stages an attack on Pence as a pretense to start a war?
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Old 04-16-2017, 08:47 PM   #106
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What's going on here?

China, Russia chasing US ship near Korean Peninsula

Yes, it is the Carl Vinson. Maybe an alarmist headline because it looks like they're just gathering intel. So far.
What kind of cuck president would allow another nation to buzz our warships like this?
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Old 04-16-2017, 09:24 PM   #107
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Not a single outlet reporting on the ship "chase" so far, so I guess it's just routine wiretappi...err I mean...surveillance?
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:43 PM   #108
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It makes perfect sense to me. She's standing up against all the forces of unchecked masculinity which still rule our world. Look at the guy who just got elected, an incompetent pussygrabber reality TV show host who beat out of the most qualified candidates ever. In the context of the world we live in, I believe the fearless girl represents the energy and ferocity it takes to resist such a world on a daily basis. She is confronted by faceless, systemic forces that are far more powerful than she is, but she stands tall and proud and faces them directly. It's a great message and I say it should stay up. Apparently New York agrees with me.

I do believe it speaks to the fragility and vulnerability of supposed "manly men" that people feel the need to attack this image and try to get it taken down. Even the very idea of a feminine image such as the girl standing alongside the charging bull gives many men a fleeting shock of horror, it would seem. And that's all the more reason the girl needs to stay up. Hey look, the statue has already started a great conversation about toxic masculinity. Well, that's another good reason for it to stay up.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:14 PM   #109
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:05 AM   #110
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NYT: A 'Cuban Missile Crisis in Slow Motion' in North Korea

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/16/u...pgtype=article

Tempting as the analogies to Cuba may be, Mr. Kim is probably thinking of another nuclear negotiation — with Libya, in 2003. Its leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, agreed to give up his nascent nuclear program in return for promises from the West of economic integration and acceptance. It never really happened, and as soon as Libya’s populace turned against the dictator during the Arab Spring, the United States and its European and Arab allies drove him from power. Ultimately, he was pulled out of a ditch and shot.

Periodically, the North Koreans write about that experience, noting what a sap Colonel Qaddafi was to give up the nuclear program that might have saved him. Mr. Kim, it appears, is not planning to make the same mistake.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:08 AM   #111
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Anybody who's ever played chess, poker, or real-time strategy games knows "strategic patience" is basically one of the fundamental ways you win at games. 45* is setting us up to be big losers as he unsettles the board and allows nations to redevelop their positions in real time.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:24 AM   #112
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The focus should be on intelligence disabling all the weapons, and infiltrating their government as much as possible. Clandestine warfare is the only kind of warfare that's going to work.
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:27 AM   #113
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Anybody who's ever played chess, poker, or real-time strategy games knows "strategic patience" is basically one of the fundamental ways you win at games. 45* is setting us up to be big losers as he unsettles the board and allows nations to redevelop their positions in real time.
Zerg rush tho.
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:53 AM   #114
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There is no such thing as "strategic patience" when it comes to those games, only proper strategy. It is simply a heuristic for the nubes.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:09 AM   #115
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What's going on here?

China, Russia chasing US ship near Korean Peninsula

Yes, it is the Carl Vinson. Maybe an alarmist headline because it looks like they're just gathering intel. So far.
That's a ludicrous headline. "Intelligence-gathering vessels" gather intelligence by travelling near the things they want intelligence on and observing them. China and Russia apparently (and reasonably!) want intel on the carrier that was just dispatched to the region, so they are sending their intelligence assets to go watch it.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:12 AM   #116
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The focus should be on intelligence disabling all the weapons, and infiltrating their government as much as possible. Clandestine warfare is the only kind of warfare that's going to work.
Given the way North Korean society works that should be super simple.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:22 AM   #117
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Zerg rush tho.
Dude you just brought me back to HS. My Protoss game was on point so long as I didn't get Zergling'ed in the first few minutes. CARRIER HAS ARRIVED.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:36 PM   #119
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Full Chomsky interview worth a read/watch., with some thoughts on North Korea:

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: In line with your concern about the growing threat in terms of nuclear weapons, there are also maneuvers going on off the coast of Korea, and the words that we’ve heard from President Trump in the last few days, that if China doesn’t deal with North Korea, the U.S. will. Can you talk about his policies already, his developing policies toward Korea and toward China?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, it’s kind of interesting to look at the record. The claim is "Well, we’ve tried everything. Nothing works. Therefore, we have to use force." Is it true that nothing’s worked? I mean, there is a record, after all. And if you look at the record, it’s interesting.

1994, Clinton made—established what was called the Framework Agreement with North Korea. North Korea would terminate its efforts to develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. would reduce hostile acts. It more or less worked, and neither side lived up to it totally, but, by 2000, North Korea had not proceeded with its nuclear weapons programs. George W. Bush came in and immediately launched an assault on North Korea—you know, "axis of evil," sanctions and so on. North Korea turned to producing nuclear weapons. In 2005, there was an agreement between North Korea and the United States, a pretty sensible agreement. North Korea agreed to terminate its development of nuclear weapons. In return, it called for a nonaggression pact. So, stop making hostile threats, relief from harsh sanctions, and provision of a system to provide North Korea with low-enriched uranium for medical and other purposes—that was the proposal. George Bush instantly tore it to shreds. Within days, the U.S. was imposing—trying to disrupt North Korean financial transactions with other countries through Macau and elsewhere. North Korea backed off, started building nuclear weapons again. I mean, maybe you can say it’s the worst regime in history, whatever you like, but they have been following a pretty rational tit-for-tat policy.

And why are they developing nuclear weapons altogether? I mean, the economy is in bad shape. They could certainly use the resources. Everyone understands that it’s a deterrent. And they have a proposal, actually. There’s a proposal on the table. China and North Korea proposed that North Korea should terminate its further development of nuclear weapons. In return, the United States should stop carrying out threatening military maneuvers with South Korea right on its border. Not an unreasonable proposal. It’s simply dismissed. Actually, Obama dismissed it, too. There are possible steps that could be taken to alleviate which could be an extremely serious crisis. I mean, if the U.S. did decide to use force against North Korea, one immediate reaction, according to the military sources available to us, is that Seoul, the city of Seoul, would simply be wiped out by mass North Korean artillery aimed at it. And who knows where we’d go from there? But the opportunity to produce—to move towards a negotiated diplomatic settlement does not seem outlandish. I mean, this Chinese-North Korean proposal is certainly worth serious consideration, I would think.

And it’s worth bearing in mind that North Korea has some memories. They were practically destroyed by some of the most intensive bombing in history. The bombing—you should—it’s worth reading. Maybe you should read, people, the official Air Force history of the bombing of North Korea. It’s shattering. I mean, they had flattened the country. There were no targets left. So, therefore, they decided, well, we’ll attack the dams—which is a war crime, of course. And the description of the attack on the dams is—without the exact wording, I hate to paraphrase it. You should really read the—they were simply exalting, in the official histories, Air Force Quarterly and others, about the—how magnificent it will be to see this massive flood of water coursing through North Korea, wiping out crops. For Asians, the rice crops is their life. This will destroy them. It will be magnificent. The North Koreans lived through that. And having nuclear-capable B-52s flying on their border is not a joke.

But, most significantly, there’s a record of partial success in diplomatic initiatives, total failure with sanctions and harsh moves, and options that are on the table which could be pursued. Now, instead of concern about whether somebody talked to the Russians, this is the kind of thing that should be—that should be pursued very seriously. That’s what the Democrats or anyone hoping for some form of peace and justice should be working for.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:12 PM   #120
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39623882

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North Korea will continue to test missiles, a senior official has told the BBC in Pyongyang, despite international condemnation and growing military tensions with the US.

"We'll be conducting more missile tests on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis,"
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North Korea warns 'thermonuclear war may break out at any moment'

Some heavy smack talk from NK. Maybe they didn't like the President's "gotta behave" comment this morning.
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Old 04-17-2017, 03:47 PM   #122
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If Seoul gets obliterated China gains power in region so they really have no reason to intervene. I wouldn't want to be living in Washington state right now. Is it true that a nuclear blast could reach across whole united states?
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Trumpkins will still be praising Trump's "tough talk" even as the nukes start falling.
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Trumpkins will still be praising Trump's "tough talk" even as the nukes start falling.
I've had recent IRL conversations with Trumpkins who are already setting up this serve. "This is all Kim's fault" as if his wrongness gives Trump permission to behave any way he wants and still be right regardless of the result. Scary **** for sure.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:18 PM   #125
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If Seoul gets obliterated China gains power in region so they really have no reason to intervene. I wouldn't want to be living in Washington state right now. Is it true that a nuclear blast could reach across whole united states?
China is aware that Seoul being destroyed would have wide ranging, negative repercussions.

Nuclear fallout would criss the US, though not at acutely lethal levels.
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