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08-09-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Just commenting on your last sentence. Surely we have a much better incomparable defensive mechanisms than NK. Unless it's an all out bombardment on the scale of what Russia could pull off, I'm pretty sure we could shoot down an incoming missile before it hit the states or possibly other targets. Am I wrong?
Wrong.

**** moves at 5 km per second ffs.

Stray golf ball one time!
08-09-2017 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Just commenting on your last sentence. Surely we have a much better incomparable defensive mechanisms than NK. Unless it's an all out bombardment on the scale of what Russia could pull off, I'm pretty sure we could shoot down an incoming missile before it hit the states or possibly other targets. Am I wrong?
Pretty much, as I pointed out earlier...

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Originally Posted by dinopoker
The sophisticated ones are usually MIRVs, or Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicles, usually 12 or 24 and each nuclear tipped with enough juice to level a large city. I think they re-enter at about 15,000mph or so, which means that from there to the surface the defense missile has about .00024 seconds to lock, fire, and then intercept.

So yeah, kind of challenging.
08-09-2017 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
He was probably having a bad round of golf. You know the whole deal - duff a shot, then put one in the water, and then threaten nuclear war with a lunatic every bit as unhinged as yourself. A standard American great again summer day.
MSNBC was reporting, no joke, that sources were claiming DJT was in a bad mood and tweeting so much because rain was preventing him from playing.
08-09-2017 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jwax13
It's not "essentially" the authority. It's absolutely, 100% complete authority to authorize the use of nuclear weapons. There needs to be emergency legislation passed immediately to remove that power from the president.
Legislation alone couldn't do this because of the separations of power and 3 co-equal branches.
08-09-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Before Trump I would've agreed with you.

At this point it's unclear who is the bigger threat, Kim or Trump.



And now their director is Mike Pompeo, so good luck with that one.
Trump is a lot of things, but come on.
08-09-2017 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Just commenting on your last sentence. Surely we have a much better incomparable defensive mechanisms than NK. Unless it's an all out bombardment on the scale of what Russia could pull off, I'm pretty sure we could shoot down an incoming missile before it hit the states or possibly other targets. Am I wrong?
We have to knock it down before it gets to the peaks of it's arc if not all bets are off. The problem then become once it reaches that height we are already responding with our retaliation. FWIW it only take one of our trident subs to completely wipe NK off the face of the earth. You can bet that we have one in the Pacific Ocean ready within minutes to fire.
08-09-2017 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
It's probably important to mention that the mini nuke assessment doesn't even have concensus yet, and POtuS is firing off red lines from his stupid ****ing mouth without a 2nd opinion. Other parts of the intelligence community disputed the DIA's findings.
You honestly think he was just shooting off his mouth without intel to back it up.

Scare times for sure thanks to the last 24 years of inaction towards NK. It's also scare that if NK has this capacity so does Iran.
08-09-2017 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jwax13
It's not "essentially" the authority. It's absolutely, 100% complete authority to authorize the use of nuclear weapons. There needs to be emergency legislation passed immediately to remove that power from the president.
FYI, Sec Def has to sign off. If Mattis resigns at that moment and doesn't co-authorize the nuke launch they aren't getting launched.

I made a post months ago that Mattis may be tasked with saving not only the Republic, but all of humanity.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3732
08-09-2017 , 07:21 AM
Personally, I take comfort in the fact that China and Russia signed off on the economic sanctions.

I think it's quite likely that China has had enough of KJU.
08-09-2017 , 07:38 AM
The theory that people will not be willing to die for their ideologies, neverminding whatever the last suicide bombing was, is plainly not borne out by history.

Japan had been defeated. It would not have been honorable to continue fighting at that point.

NK is not bound by bushido. It is bound by, idk, Kim's estimate of the strength and sustainability of his shelter?
08-09-2017 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
As was pointed out to me, this line presents a very complicated problem with Seoul.

I don't know what the correct response is. But you can count me among the percentage of people who thinks N. Korea is a huge threat. I think it's insane that our long term game plan was to stand back while they advanced their nuclear program to become anywhere near as far along as it presently.

But maybe none of that matters now, since the US now has their own over compensating little narcissistic madman leading our country. The rest of the world has every reason to be just as alarmed about us doing something rash and stupid as we do with N. Korea.
I hope people understand how Israel feels about Iran now...
08-09-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
You honestly think he was just shooting off his mouth without intel to back it up.
For the 3000th time in politician Trump's history, yes. Would you like to be proven wrong 3001 times, or is the beating you took from 3000 enough?

Especially since, unlike your buddy Trump's calls with Mexico or the Boy Scouts (or Obama's wiretapping of Trump Tower, or bigger crowd sizes, or stories about the 21 Club, or millions of fraud voters, or touting Obama's achievements as his own, or blaming his crimes on everyone else, or **** it, EVERYTHING...), I didn't just make my post up out of thin air. Other intelligence agencies said they could not support the findings of the the DIA. Also Trump doesn't trust the DIA anyway, remember? After all, that's the same agency he complained about in Poland for making up WMDs in Iraq. The DIA was also wrong for reporting this exact same thing about mini nukes in NK when Mike Flynn was in charge back in 2013.

It's amazing how Trump can't accept the consensus of ALL intelligence agencies when they tell him about the hoax story in Russia, but he only needs ONE source to start nuclear war with North Korea.

Please *****. Check yo self.
08-09-2017 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
You honestly think he was just shooting off his mouth without intel to back it up.
rara has a point, would be very out of character for drumpf to say mental things without proper consideration
08-09-2017 , 07:45 AM
I see what you did there
08-09-2017 , 07:50 AM
A legislative challenge to Trump's nuclear authority would at least, I expect, draw a stop order from the Court.

If Trump launches anyway, at least we'll have clear legal recourse for removal proceedings.
08-09-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
For the 3000th time in politician Trump's history, yes. Would you like to be proven wrong 3001 times, or is the beating you took from 3000 enough?

Especially since, unlike your buddy Trump's calls with Mexico or the Boy Scouts (or Obama's wiretapping of Trump Tower, or bigger crowd sizes, or stories about the 21 Club, or millions of fraud voters, or touting Obama's achievements as his own, or blaming his crimes on everyone else, or **** it, EVERYTHING...), I didn't just make my post up out of thin air. Other intelligence agencies said they could not support the findings of the the DIA. Also Trump doesn't trust the DIA anyway, remember? After all, that's the same agency he complained about in Poland for making up WMDs in Iraq. The DIA was also wrong for reporting this exact same thing about mini nukes in NK when Mike Flynn was in charge back in 2013.

It's amazing how Trump can't accept the consensus of ALL intelligence agencies when they tell him about the hoax story in Russia, but he only needs ONE source to start nuclear war with North Korea.

Please *****. Check yo self.
I see you are privy of all the information Trump has at his disposal
08-09-2017 , 07:54 AM
The support of military action against NK is merely proof that Trump is not the problem. Rather it is the voters and the system that put him in power.

This is what people want. A reality show that couldn't be any more real.

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08-09-2017 , 07:54 AM
and maybe his entire bull**** ideological underpinning will be lol'ed out of our country for another three or four generations

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08-09-2017 , 07:59 AM
I just googled "executive action nuclear missile" and returned a less than inspiring list of articles from 2016.
08-09-2017 , 08:02 AM
I don't see conventional war with NK likely, unless China and Russia both turn their backs.

If they both join NK, we're losing SK and Japan.

Australia will probably want to wake up at that point. Maybe someone should rouse them now? What time is it there?



on further thought - we probably won't lose Japan without armageddon; I pray for SK, though. The whole pennisula could become a wasteland, then setting the dangerous precedent that nukes don't ensure MAD.

Last edited by iamnotawerewolf; 08-09-2017 at 08:22 AM.
08-09-2017 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
I see you are privy of all the information Trump has at his disposal
Maybe I am. And maybe, just maybe, you and Trump know the same amount as Fox News.
08-09-2017 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
You honestly think he was just shooting off his mouth without intel to back it up.

Scare times for sure thanks to the last 24 years of inaction towards NK. It's also scare that if NK has this capacity so does Iran.
lmao what?! Have you been listening to Trump for the last 24 months? Shooting off his mouth is literally his go to move
08-09-2017 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The support of military action against NK is merely proof that Trump is not the problem. Rather it is the voters and the system that put him in power.

This is what people want. A reality show that couldn't be any more real.

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I think there's enough blame to go around. Because if Trump wasn't the problem, why did Mueller and 16 other pros leave $million+ jobs to save the country? Lots of national and international actions helped Trump and Putin personally, and have nothing to do with the voters.

And if the government we have now succeeds for too long, none of the American people will matter.
08-09-2017 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I hope people understand how Israel feels about Iran now...
I have a clear understanding that they are a bunch of paranoid bastards as well as Trump and his bigots.
08-09-2017 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I don't see conventional war with NK likely, unless China and Russia both turn their backs.

If they both join NK, we're losing SK and Japan.

Australia will probably want to wake up at that point. Maybe someone should rouse them now? What time is it there?



on further thought - we probably won't lose Japan without armageddon; I pray for SK, though. The whole pennisula could become a wasteland, then setting the dangerous precedent that nukes don't ensure MAD.
Uhm yes they do. Once they are launched nobody knows where they are targeted until they start coming back down.

      
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