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Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington) Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington)

11-14-2017 , 10:50 AM
People in the town are like "oh yeah he was the mall creeper" but adios has some questions.
11-14-2017 , 10:54 AM
Did adios have similar opinions about Anthony Weiner?
11-14-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Not sure if anyone here is a listener to the 538 podcast and I'm not active on Twitter and so too lazy to tweet @NateSilver538, but he basically caped for right-wingers in just this way -- tut-tuting at woke liberals for indicating that this has anything to do with Alabama and conservative values, partisanship is strong and it's completely rational to vote for Moore. He even did the whole "well, if they had a choice..."

But they had a normal deplorable choice: Luther Strange

But the incredibly deplorable Moore won.

Surprising how much traction this apologetic gets. As I said, it's first or second level thinking. True enough on its face. But when do Republicans, the right, conservative Christians, etc. have their reckoning for nominating someone like Moore? The whole primary fight was about how brazenly unfit Moore was -- temperamentally, philosophically, politically -- for office. A bunch of elites in his own party said that (granted those 'elites' are basically now disrespected swamp creatures; also the point).

As has been documented: Roy Moore ignores SCOTUS orders, thinks gays should be prosecuted, thinks Muslims can't hold office. Then we find out he did what you might predict people with incredibly loathsome mindsets that dehumanize wide swaths of humanity and disrespect legal boundaries might do, and then we ...finger-wag at liberals for drawing any systemic conclusions about collective moral rot from this kind of **** parade. IF ONLY REPUBLICANS HAD A CHOICE. WHATAABOUT YOUR PARTISANSHIP

sigh
Big 538 guy here. I didn't really like Nate's take on this. I mean I understand the logic but it doesn't make it morally correct.

People who choose Moore over Jones (or Trump over Hillary) are indicating that they value abortion, low taxes, immigration restriction, etc. over pedophilia, racism, etc. That the latter things are not dealbreakers. They are indicating that they believe the bad qualities of the opponent are worse than the bad qualities of their candidate. And that is a bad belief!
11-14-2017 , 11:17 AM
So creepy that he put the date and place there like he just didn't GAF if someone found the evidence. Almost like he was signaling to the girl that he was untouchable as a DA, like, go ahead and show the world, no one will stop me.
11-14-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Malachii
As crazy as this sounds, I'm not convinced that the Roy Moore pedophilia thing is going to cost him the election.

The average Trump supporter is stupid (or at a minimum, has zero critical thinking skills, even if they are able to perform technical work), angry, has massive doses of confirmation bias, is extremely hostile to the "left wing media" and suspicious of what they perceive as manufactured controversies, and relies upon Fox News to tell them what to think.

To put it simply, I think there's a very good chance that the average Republican simply won't believe this, facts be damned. Or they'll find some way to justify it. Will be interesting to see what the ultimate outcome is here.
It seems foxnews is turning on him at this point. Unless Trump digs in hard and backs him (and then fox will follow), I think he's toast.
11-14-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
Big 538 guy here. I didn't really like Nate's take on this. I mean I understand the logic but it doesn't make it morally correct.

People who choose Moore over Jones (or Trump over Hillary) are indicating that they value abortion, low taxes, immigration restriction, etc. over pedophilia, racism, etc. That the latter things are not dealbreakers. They are indicating that they believe the bad qualities of the opponent are worse than the bad qualities of their candidate. And that is a bad belief!
Exactly. I understand why Republicans vote for Republicans. It's a choice done with agency. They need to own nominating guys like Moore and then eventually settling on them. I appreciate the game theory, potentially 'logical' choice they are making to take Moore > Jones. But that's absolutely worthy of criticizing. It's not a moral free calculation. And they certainly have to justify why Republicans are nominating guys like Moore and Trump.

Too much punditry is the View from Nowhere, the world is a blank slate starting the morning of the general election, where rational voters look around, decide abortion is important, and the pundits get to say stuff like "welp, everyone is partisan, they just value abortion, no one can judge Alabama Republicans for any of this."

He didn't say it quite that obviously. But he absolutely was finger-waging at naive liberals for not appreciating Republicans vote strategically. But that doesn't explain their primary behavior. They had a choice for a 'mainstream' candidate there and choose Moore. What of that?

Clare Malone at least correctly noted that that 'abortion' and 'judges' are the pre-canned pretense right-wingers always use to tell journalists and normal people why they excuse guys like Moore, so good for her.
11-14-2017 , 12:17 PM
paul ryan calls on moore to end his campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...al-misconduct/
11-14-2017 , 12:19 PM
Finally found that thing that's even too bad for Paul Ryan.
11-14-2017 , 12:49 PM
It's amazing to me that the line for a lot of Republicans wasn't allegations of child molestation and predatory behavior toward young girls... It was the FIFTH accuser.

Four women accused him? Well, gee, I dunno, I mean, maybe IF he did it, and we don't know if he did, but if so he should probably drop out.

FIVE? Well, then he should drop out.

Of course, we'll see if they actually go beyond calls to drop out on this one if he stays in the race...
11-14-2017 , 12:53 PM
What's really shameful is that the Republicans supported this bath**** crazy fraudster before the allegations came out. After is just proving that they are the shameless hypocrites they pretend to be.
11-14-2017 , 01:00 PM
I like how the mall food court has higher standards for propriety than the US Senate.
11-14-2017 , 01:02 PM
If the dude cant get to second base with a 14 year old, no way is gonna slide past Chick-Fil-A.
11-14-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I like how the mall food court has higher standards for propriety than the US Senate.
Not enough teenage girls hang out at the Capitol Building for his proclivities to be an issue.
11-14-2017 , 01:08 PM
I'm just here to laugh at adios

He's a nice reminder that these people are real
11-14-2017 , 01:20 PM
Why isn't there more outrage concerning Moore's most heinous act that this woman has brought to light?

Spoiler:
He said "Merry Christmas".
11-14-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Not enough teenage girls hang out at the Capitol Building for his proclivities to be an issue.
The interns are fairly young. Also:

Rep. Speier: 2 Congressmen Have Grabbed Staffers’ Genitals on the House Floor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-sp...he-house-floor
11-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The interns are fairly young. Also:

Rep. Speier: 2 Congressmen Have Grabbed Staffers’ Genitals on the House Floor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-sp...he-house-floor
I mean, just WTF. What in the actual ****????

ON THE HOUSE FLOOR?
11-14-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
"Handwriting analysis" is basically a debunked forensic science at this point.
Is it debunked? I thought that only applies to attempts to connect handwriting to personality traits.
11-14-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Whether or not he actually signed the book is a minor detail? As it turns out there's a video from the Young-Allred news conferance showing the yearbook's date of 1977. So the yearbook comes out at the end of the school year in 1977 and 6-7 months later she's trucking it to the restaurant where she works and having people sign it? Maybe since it was Christmas and 1977 was so great for her that she wanted some Christmas memories in year high school yearbook? Or maybe she had it sitting around the restaurant where she worked having customers sign it 6 to 7 months later? Maybe the yearbook came out half way through the school year?

I am willing to believe Moore is at the very least a flawed character. Btw his wife is 14 years younger than he is so she was 24 when they were married. So him pursuing 16,17 and 18 year olds at age 32 seems highly probable. However, this newest allegation is at the very least questionable. Pretty sure hand writing "experts" will weigh in with some claiming it is his signature and some claiming it isn't.
defending a pedophile to own the libs
11-14-2017 , 03:51 PM
I know when I sign yearbooks, I like to list the date and location of my signing it multiple times. My future job title, too. Makes it way more legit in case someone accuses me of sexual assault in 40 years.

Also, Roy Moore confirmed ******* for forcing his religious views on this poor yearbook.

Edit: WAAF
11-14-2017 , 03:59 PM
ITT Inso shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that some people are not exactly like him and get a big head about their job titles.
11-14-2017 , 04:05 PM
lol adios
lol inso

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Originally Posted by m_reed05
It seems foxnews is turning on him at this point. Unless Trump digs in hard and backs him (and then fox will follow), I think he's toast.
agreed, fox turning on him is likely the end. much harder for these people to find a way to rationalize it when fox doesn't give them the path.
11-14-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
ITT Inso shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that some people are not exactly like him and get a big head about their job titles.
inso said "future job title" because inso is under the assumption that moore wrote that when he was in middle school or high school
11-14-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
My future job title, too.
lol wtf are you talking about?
11-14-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Finally found that thing that's even too bad for Paul Ryan.
Not so sure.

I suspect that RM supporters understand intuitively (and correctly) that the Paul Ryans of the world would give RM more leeway if they expected RM to be a more reliable ally of the GOP establishment.

In other words, I don't give Ryan credit for drawing a line in the sand, even a line that is in the wrong place.

      
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