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Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington) Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington)

11-11-2017 , 01:56 AM
The exact tactics would depend on the rules of the particular contest, but that's really besides the point. Democrats would find a way to prevent the candidate from serving.

Maybe they encourage people to vote for a write in candidate instead. Maybe they do the impeachment thing cuserounder suggested. Maybe they just let the guy lose. But no way he serves.
11-11-2017 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Absolutely.

Liberals are far from pure, but there's a huge moral gulf right now between the two sides. Like, imagine this scenario playing out in California. There is little chance the candidate would still win at all, and zero chance he would serve.
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
The exact tactics would depend on the rules of the particular contest, but that's really besides the point. Democrats would find a way to prevent the candidate from serving.

Maybe they encourage people to vote for a write in candidate instead. Maybe they do the impeachment thing cuserounder suggested. Maybe they just let the guy lose. But no way he serves.
These are all tangential considerations which allow you to avoid the question. Sure, lots of things could potentially happen. Remember, it's a week before. That's not a lot of time to coordinate.

You're going to have at least some people in denial and other people proposing all kinds of solutions and even if they promise to impeach or whatever, as a voter you have to consider that they may not be able to execute for some reason. So, if we set aside the case that Bernie publicly states he will step down (because that's the easy way out), as a voter, what do you do?



1. Vote for Pedo-Sanders (hoping he will be removed, but accepting a chance that he won't be)
2. Vote for Donald Trump
3. Stay home/Third party/etc.

Anyone who sees Trump as what he is must vote for Pedo-Sanders. And the logic is the similar as what Trumpkins are giving now. "I'd vote for Sanders, only because I don't want Trump. It doesn't mean I support what he did. [And I'm really hoping that when Sanders wins, we'll get rid of him]".

Now that last part is an important difference, but at the end of the day, you're voting for a chance of a pedophile over someone who is even worse.
11-11-2017 , 02:34 AM
I wasn't considering your scenario, Melkerson. And I don't totally understand the point you're trying to make. That given their moral vacuum, these deplorable idiots are using proper logic? Um, ok, I guess I agree.

I'm not "surprised" by their reactions. I'm appalled.
11-11-2017 , 02:40 AM
Here's a tougher hypothetical scenario to help get to the heart of the matter.

Same as before, it's 2020, Current Bernie (or substitute your favorite Dem here) vs Trump. A week before the election, a friend of yours tells you that when Bernie was in his 30s he molested her when she was 14. She tells you in confidence and insists you not reveal this to anyone. She has finally recovered and has no desire to be reminded of it again especially in a public way. She further tells that you that if you did reveal it she would deny.

So now you have to vote. You and pretty much only you know that Bernie is a pedophile. What do you do?

1. Vote for Pedo-Sanders
2. Vote for Trump
3. Stay Home/Third Party/etc.
11-11-2017 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
I wasn't considering your scenario, Melkerson. And I don't totally understand the point you're trying to make. That given their moral vacuum, these deplorable idiots are using proper logic? Um, ok, I guess I agree.

I'm not "surprised" by their reactions. I'm appalled.
It wasn't supposed to be some massive revelation. I'm appalled too, but not even a little more appalled than I was prior to this whole thing. I do think that some people are legitimately surprised, but if you weren't, then we're on the same page.
11-11-2017 , 02:44 AM
Another hypothetical: It's a week before the 2016 election, it looks like Clinton is going to win, you receive incontrovertible video proof that the Clintons keep children around their house for molesting purposes. Do you immediately release the video to the public? Go to the police? Or do you wait until after the election? Or something else?
11-11-2017 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Another hypothetical: It's a week before the 2016 election, it looks like Clinton is going to win, you receive incontrovertible video proof that the Clintons keep children around their house for molesting purposes. Do you immediately release the video to the public? Go to the police? Or do you wait until after the election? Or something else?
Kids are presently being held and molested? That's snap tell police, public, and do anything else that you can to remove them from that ASAP.
11-11-2017 , 06:27 AM
why, I'd grab my ar15 and go rescue the children myself!
11-11-2017 , 06:33 AM
Could Alabama GOP Withdraw Roy Moore As [Their] Senate Candidate?

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...hdraw_roy.html

Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, as there is quite a bit of uncertainty as to what is - and is not - "Alabama law" at the present time. This situation is unprecedented. Nobody knows where this train is headed - or where this could wind up. If the Alabama GOP were to withdraw Roy Moore's nomination and he "won" the election regardless, (only to have the Secretary of State promptly declare the election "null and void"), there would almost certainly be lawsuits. I could envision both Roy Moore (and Doug Jones!) filing lawsuits contesting the Secretary of State's decision. If that happens, we could have Alabama's version of "Bush versus Gore 2000" with our senator being picked by a court decision!

To avoid these [possible] complications, what I suspect is going to happen is: First, enormous pressure will be exerted on Moore to withdraw from the race. If Moore says "To hell with all of you - I'm staying in the race! Period!" the pressure will shift to Governor Kay Ivey. (I have my doubts that Roy Moore will stay in. He virtually admitted in the Shaun Hannity interview that more women are likely to come forward with more accusations, so this mess is only likely to get worse for Roy Moore - and the Alabama GOP.) Second, if Moore stays in, Governor Ivey will be under tremendous pressure from both within (and outside) Alabama to postpone the election and give the Republicans more time to ease Moore out.

Nationally, Republicans want Roy Moore out. They do not want to go into the 2018 mid-term elections having to answer questions concerning "their position" on Roy Moore - the "pedophile candidate" for Alabama senator - and they certainly don't want to see Roy Moore seated in the Senate. Kay Ivey, a Republican, is running for election to a full term as Governor of Alabama. Republicans like Mitch McConnell (and many others) will make it clear to Kay Ivey, privately not publicly, that if she doesn't do everything in her power to short circuit Roy Moore; she can look forward to lots of outside money flowing into the coffers of her strongest [Republican] opponent. Kay Ivey probably feels, right now, that she has the best shot at getting elected Governor, but she also knows that in politics there is no sure thing. Roy Moore is a headache she doesn't need.

So my "guess" is that Roy Moore is on his way out - he will not be our next Senator. However, before any of you declare me a genius and an astute observer of Alabama politics, keep in mind that my previous attempts at predicting political outcomes have not been that extraordinary ... As an unrepentant librul, my "hope" is that Doug Jones will be our next Senator. My "fear" is that Republicans (both inside and outside of Alabama) will figure out a way to make sure that doesn't happen. (I also think there's a good chance this imbroglio is going to wind up in court - regardless of what happens.)
11-11-2017 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't live in AL now, but I grew up there. I agree that attitudes in the state have changed for the better (though much work remains to be done), but it's pretty LOL to give a lot of the credit to Bear Bryant.
No, it's not ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOpZvEulvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKpGTnTOH4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yO7BFeUST4

Last edited by Former DJ; 11-11-2017 at 07:31 AM.
11-11-2017 , 08:40 AM
Come on, man. Integration of college football throughout the SEC would have happened around the same time even if Bear Bryant had been hit by a bus in 1969. It was inevitable. Several SEC teams (most famously, Tennessee), and loads of teams outside the SEC, had black players before Alabama.

I'm not claiming that Bryant had particularly regressive views on race for someone living in Alabama in the 1960s and 1970s. Not at all. But his push for integration was driven mostly by a desire to win football games. He wasn't a warrior for social justice.
11-11-2017 , 09:14 AM
Yeah so, in the US a lot of late teenage boys have been charged for statutory rape and branded sex offenders for life for having sexual relations with teenage girls under the age of consent. But through the magic of Christianity, Mormonism, and Judaism, and the institution known as marriage, it's totally cool for 74 year olds to presumably **** 14 year olds, and 31 year olds to **** 10 year olds.

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At first, almost no one believed Fraidy Reiss when she said child marriage happens in the United States.

“That’s not a problem here,” people would say. But the laws in every state allow minors to get married under certain circumstances. As the founder of Unchained At Last, an advocacy group that’s working to outlaw marriage before the age of 18, Reiss would hear from teenage girls who were looking to get out of a marriage.

Reiss wanted to know how often minors were getting married, so she went looking for an actual count.

Her group is based in New Jersey, and that’s where her search began.



“When I got that spreadsheet from the state health department, I was literally shaking,” Reiss said.

The spreadsheet showed nearly 3,500 minors married in New Jersey between 1995 and 2012. Most minors were 16 and 17 years old.

“That number was so much higher than I had thought it would be,” she said. “Then, the fact that the children were as young as 13 and the fact that it was mostly girls married to adult men.”

After New Jersey, she requested marriage license data from New York. And then more states, until she had numbers from more than 30 states.

Reiss shared that initial dataset with FRONTLINE. We requested data from additional states in an effort to get a fuller picture of how many minors are getting married in the U.S., how old they are and where these marriages are taking place.

Here is what we learned:
...

The youngest children to marry were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee in 2001, who were married to men ages 24, 25 and 31, according to state data. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old boy, also in Tennessee, who married a 27-year-old woman in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licenses in Alaska, Louisiana, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Thirteen-year-olds were given the green light to marry in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Washington.

In 2010, a 17-year-old girl married a 65-year-old man in Idaho.

One of the oldest people to marry a child was a 74-year-old in Alabama. His bride was 14. (The state later raised its minimum marriage age to 16).
(continued)
http://apps.frontline.org/child-marr...y-the-numbers/

Sanctity of marriage! Holy **** America is so ****ed up.

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 11-11-2017 at 09:20 AM.
11-11-2017 , 09:29 AM
Better ped than red!
11-11-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Yeah I've lost my faith in polls. I never actually believed in them that much, but they've been wildly inaccurate in the age of trumpism. Not just in favor of them, they were way off in VA as well. Aren't most still done by landlines? I've never been called for a poll ever, so they probably don't even talk to the 18-35 year old voters.
polls always have a margin of error. the ones I have recently seen are within that amount. and the most denigrated poll, for the presidency, was actually pretty close.
11-11-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I'm pretty confident that in this scenario, the Democratic party would make it crystal clear that a pedophile would not be President for more than one day. In other words, I'm pretty sure they'd promise Day 1 impeachment and announce who the VPOTUS would select as their VP, and essentially we'd all know we were voting for the VP to be POTUS.

Maybe I'm naive as to the level of morality on the left, but I really don't think it would take more than 24 hours for a united front to basically say, "There is no possible outcome in which this person holds this office. If they don't step down, we'll impeach, so consider any vote for them a vote for the VP candidate."
I think this is a copout from his hypothetical. he was trying to stage a scenario where a great liberal, who is promising some revolutionary progressive programs that would chance our society for the better gets exposed as a pedo. and his opponent is a stupid, corrupt, narcissistic, white supremacist that is not only a threat to democracy, but also to the existence of our species and earth.

I have no problem going with the pedo there. dont think that makes me as bad as the repubs.
11-11-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Yeah so, in the US a lot of late teenage boys have been charged for statutory rape and branded sex offenders for life for having sexual relations with teenage girls under the age of consent. But through the magic of Christianity, Mormonism, and Judaism, and the institution known as marriage, it's totally cool for 74 year olds to presumably **** 14 year olds, and 31 year olds to **** 10 year olds.


http://apps.frontline.org/child-marr...y-the-numbers/

Sanctity of marriage! Holy **** America is so ****ed up.
ya that is just disgusting.

this one is too. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoy...tha-story.html

took multiple tries to read it bc I was so repulsed.
11-11-2017 , 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Melkerson
These are all tangential considerations which allow you to avoid the question. Sure, lots of things could potentially happen. Remember, it's a week before. That's not a lot of time to coordinate.

You're going to have at least some people in denial and other people proposing all kinds of solutions and even if they promise to impeach or whatever, as a voter you have to consider that they may not be able to execute for some reason. So, if we set aside the case that Bernie publicly states he will step down (because that's the easy way out), as a voter, what do you do?



1. Vote for Pedo-Sanders (hoping he will be removed, but accepting a chance that he won't be)
2. Vote for Donald Trump
3. Stay home/Third party/etc.

Anyone who sees Trump as what he is must vote for Pedo-Sanders. And the logic is the similar as what Trumpkins are giving now. "I'd vote for Sanders, only because I don't want Trump. It doesn't mean I support what he did. [And I'm really hoping that when Sanders wins, we'll get rid of him]".

Now that last part is an important difference, but at the end of the day, you're voting for a chance of a pedophile over someone who is even worse.
easily pedo sanders

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melkerson
Here's a tougher hypothetical scenario to help get to the heart of the matter.

Same as before, it's 2020, Current Bernie (or substitute your favorite Dem here) vs Trump. A week before the election, a friend of yours tells you that when Bernie was in his 30s he molested her when she was 14. She tells you in confidence and insists you not reveal this to anyone. She has finally recovered and has no desire to be reminded of it again especially in a public way. She further tells that you that if you did reveal it she would deny.

So now you have to vote. You and pretty much only you know that Bernie is a pedophile. What do you do?

1. Vote for Pedo-Sanders
2. Vote for Trump
3. Stay Home/Third Party/etc.
this one is easy. keep your mouth shut since that is her request. proly stay home but really who cares who you vote for, its only one vote.

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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Another hypothetical: It's a week before the 2016 election, it looks like Clinton is going to win, you receive incontrovertible video proof that the Clintons keep children around their house for molesting purposes. Do you immediately release the video to the public? Go to the police? Or do you wait until after the election? Or something else?
ya this one is super easy too. obv you out the kidnapping molesters so that the children can be saved and future children arent harmed.
11-11-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Another hypothetical: It's a week before the 2016 election, it looks like Clinton is going to win, you receive incontrovertible video proof that the Clintons keep children around their house for molesting purposes. Do you immediately release the video to the public? Go to the police? Or do you wait until after the election? Or something else?
Are they being held in the basement?
11-11-2017 , 11:28 AM
Seems like postponing the election is obviously what's going to happen here.
11-11-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Seems like postponing the election is obviously what's going to happen here.
Not gonna do anything when Moore doesn't drop out.
11-11-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Not gonna do anything when Moore doesn't drop out.
Well repubs would pull him from the party, but him running 3rd party is probably the best case scenario for the dems. So that makes me think they won't do that.
11-11-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Another hypothetical: It's a week before the 2016 election, it looks like Clinton is going to win, you receive incontrovertible video proof that the Clintons keep children around their house for molesting purposes. Do you immediately release the video to the public? Go to the police? Or do you wait until after the election? Or something else?
I got one.

It's the week before the 2016 election. You find out that Hillary Clinton is kept alive by the blood of slain toddlers, but the toddlers are the children of white supremacists who were training the toddlers to kill trans children AND the organs of the Nazi toddlers are used to save non-Nazi toddlers, plus the non-Nazi toddlers are on a trolley headed for Ruth Bader Ginsberg, where they will all perish BUT you have a lever that will switch the tracks, so that the non-Nazi-toddlers careen into a group of scientists who JUST THAT MOMENT came up with a cure for a rare terminal disease that you have a 50% chance of suffering from. But the scientists break the fall of the non-Nazi toddlers, so they survive. The kicker is if you pull the lever then the song "IF I Could Turn Back Time" by Cher will play in your head for seven hours every day for the rest of your life. What do you do, liberals?
11-11-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I think this is a copout from his hypothetical. he was trying to stage a scenario where a great liberal, who is promising some revolutionary progressive programs that would chance our society for the better gets exposed as a pedo. and his opponent is a stupid, corrupt, narcissistic, white supremacist that is not only a threat to democracy, but also to the existence of our species and earth.



I have no problem going with the pedo there. dont think that makes me as bad as the repubs.


So you consider “pedo who is on my team” > “non pedo from the other team” but the other guy who makes the same calculation is worse than you.

Basically what you’re saying is finding out that a candidate is a pedo should change their votes but not yours.
11-11-2017 , 12:30 PM
yes. that is what I said. bc my team is not reprehensible in every way like the republicans are.
11-11-2017 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I got one.

It's the week before the 2016 election. You find out that Hillary Clinton is kept alive by the blood of slain toddlers, but the toddlers are the children of white supremacists who were training the toddlers to kill trans children AND the organs of the Nazi toddlers are used to save non-Nazi toddlers, plus the non-Nazi toddlers are on a trolley headed for Ruth Bader Ginsberg, where they will all perish BUT you have a lever that will switch the tracks, so that the non-Nazi-toddlers careen into a group of scientists who JUST THAT MOMENT came up with a cure for a rare terminal disease that you have a 50% chance of suffering from. But the scientists break the fall of the non-Nazi toddlers, so they survive. The kicker is if you pull the lever then the song "IF I Could Turn Back Time" by Cher will play in your head for seven hours every day for the rest of your life. What do you do, liberals?
Nice try, this is definitely an official theory over at The_Donald & Infowars.

      
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