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Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington) Alabama Special Election (Roy Moore diddles, GOP thumbs up, Mr. Jones goes to Washington)

11-10-2017 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Is anyone else actually printed on the ballot, though? Like a libertarian?
no

http://sos.alabama.gov/sites/default...017-Sample.pdf
11-10-2017 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Alabama is such a garbage state full of garbage people.

11-10-2017 , 01:26 AM
There are no nominated third-party candidates, only a couple of write-in options. If Strange runs a write-in campaign, it has to cost Moore at least a few percent, right? I would think it would cost him a minimum of 5-6%.

That said, can we take a moment to remember how we got into this **** show? I have a feeling a lot of people new to this thread may not realize the levels and layers of stupidity, corruption and absolute deplorability that went on.

First, Sessions accepts the AG nomination - sheer stupidity given what we now know. He should have known he'd end up having to recuse himself from the Russia investigation, and that he'd be forced to either perjure himself or admit to all those meetings and discussions with and about Russians.

But, nah, he took the gig.

So the Governor, Bentley, is in the midst of being investigated for a sex scandal by the Alabama AG... Luther Strange. He decides that if he appoints Strange to the Senate and names a new AG, he may be able to shake his way free of this scandal... So he does. He's wrong, ends up resigning in disgrace, and in the process aligning the establishment with a candidate who's now corrupt-by-association.

So, Strange draws a right-wing nutjob primary challenger... Enter Roy Moore. Strange probably wouldn't have been nearly as vulnerable to that if not for the whole quid pro quo thing... and here we are.
11-10-2017 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
My honest answer is that it's ~even money.

No, I'm not betting on it.
Ahaha hah wimp.

Oh look it’s nutty mc nut job. Roy Moore touchin’ kids is a false Flag by McCain

11-10-2017 , 01:46 AM
Learning more about Alabama's history, and watching Maddow and seeing a reporter who's called all the past scandals playouts 100% accurately saying Moore is still almost a lock, my hopes are falling.

The reporter says most Alabamans think this is just a democratic plot :\
11-10-2017 , 02:03 AM
We're probably dramatically underestimating the possibility that if the GOP establishment wants to add another name onto the ballot and withdraw his nomination, they'll be allowed to. Who's going to stop them, in Alabama? Themselves? They run everything... What are Democrats going to do, sue to keep a child molester on the ballot?
11-10-2017 , 02:04 AM
They say it's a Democratic plot, but they really just don't care. I mean he's a southern gentleman really, stopped when she said no and took her home.
11-10-2017 , 02:04 AM
Seems like if Moore sticks it out the Dems should set up a PAC and run a write in campaign for Strange whether he's on board or not. Don't bother trying to win over morons, just get them confused.
11-10-2017 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by miller62
Seems like if Moore sticks it out the Dems should set up a PAC and run a write in campaign for Strange whether he's on board or not. Don't bother trying to win over morons, just get them confused.
I agree. The left needs to do more of this. Let's say a PAC bought airtime, repeated the allegations, and said, "Write in your vote for Donald Trump, and he'll get to pick the replacement."

Donald Trump gets o/u 5% in the race for Alabama Senator if those ads run?

Odds Trump himself tweets something out about it, not realizing it's false? 10-1?
11-10-2017 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Learning more about Alabama's history, and watching Maddow and seeing a reporter who's called all the past scandals playouts 100% accurately saying Moore is still almost a lock, my hopes are falling.

The reporter says most Alabamans think this is just a democratic plot :\
I hate to inject race into the discussion, but this is Alabama we're talking about, so it's inescapable. If you say "most white Alabamans" and then it's mostly true, because black Alabamans know all too well exactly what Roy Moore types do and don't do. Also, one should remember that for every ten George Wallaces there is a Frank Johnson (district court judge who was a classmate of Wallace), who, by the way, hailed from Winston county, famous for having opposed secession. Put another way, John Lewis is as much from Alabama as Roy Moore is.
11-10-2017 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Rubin's a big conservative

She's an anti-Trumper aka she represents ~1% of the modern GOP. I'm less familiar with Goldberg but same deal I think? Nobody on the right gives a **** about these egghead conservatives who live in DC and NYC and are dumb enough to believe their party is better than Trump.
11-10-2017 , 02:55 AM
I grew up around one of the booster clubs for one of the big southern football programs. There was a businessman involved who everyone knew liked young boys. I know everyone knew because when I was 14 they all warned me to stay the hell away from him. But they all did business with him, he was one of them, and they all sinned somehow, some nonsense like that, and green is green.

Literally none of his supporters care. They all knew already.
11-10-2017 , 02:56 AM
This whole story reminds me why I left the deep south for good.
11-10-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I agree. The left needs to do more of this. Let's say a PAC bought airtime, repeated the allegations, and said, "Write in your vote for Donald Trump, and he'll get to pick the replacement."

Donald Trump gets o/u 5% in the race for Alabama Senator if those ads run?

Odds Trump himself tweets something out about it, not realizing it's false? 10-1?
That could get 10% of the R vote and Jones would have a real shot.
11-10-2017 , 06:17 AM
I'm an endangered species here in Alabama - a liberal Democrat. I voted for Doug Jones in the primary and plan to vote for him (again) on December 12th. I fervently hope Doug wins as he is the better candidate - by far. I know a lot of my fellow citizens disagree, but that's the price I pay for living here in Alabama. I first came to Alabama when I was five years old back in 1960. I'm acutely aware of a certain stereotype that many folks have of my state, but things have changed a lot in the past 57 years. When I first came here, an interracial couple sitting together having a meal in a restaurant would have caused a big problem. Now it's ho hum, nobody gets upset or says anything, so we have changed - for the better. There are still some racists and bigots around, to be sure, but they are the minority. Unlike in the 1960's when George Wallace famously declared: "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" no politician running for statewide office is going to get elected spewing that kind of bile. This is why I have some hope that Doug Jones just might get elected - Alabama is no longer what it was 57 years ago.

How did our state change? The late Bear Bryant paved the way for integration back in the early 1970's after he took his football team to Southern California and watched Sam Cunningham run all over his defense. After that drubbing, coach Bryant immediately declared that he would start recruiting African-American players at the University of Alabama. At the time some questioned the wisdom of Coach Bryant's decision - some of the racists might have thought black athletes couldn't be as good as white athletes. After watching Sam Cunningham running through his defensive line like it was Swiss cheese, coach Bryant saw the light. His response to the doubters was simple and to the point: "Do you want to win?" Bear Bryant did more to integrate this state - and ease racial tensions - than any politician. (Even George Wallace acknowledged that Coach Bryant was "the real Governor" of Alabama.)

Doug Jones was the U.S. Attorney who prosecuted - and sent to prison - the three Ku Klux Klan members who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church in 1963. I'm going to vote for Mr. Jones for that reason alone. Doug Jones has been a positive force (for change) here in Alabama. He has helped to cast off the negative perceptions that have dogged our state for so long. Electing a candidate like Roy Moore makes me want to puke - and that was before this latest "news" [about Moore] came out in the Washington Post. Now, on to the question of how this plays out ...

I gave up (long ago) on trying to figure out why so many of my fellow Alabamians vote majority Republican. Be that as it may, it's going to be "interesting" watching the polls over the next 7-10 days. If this "pedo scandal" (or whatever it is) does serious damage to Roy Moore's numbers, the Alabama GOP is going to be in a Catch 22 type situation. If the polling data shows the race close, (or Doug Jones actually pulling ahead of Moore with Moore obstinately refusing to get out of the race), the GOP is going to have to make up its mind - real quick - on whether or not to run a write-in candidate against Moore. Of course, the problem with a Republican write-in - any Republican write-in - is that will split the Republican vote increasing the chances of a Jones victory. If the GOP is successful in "persuading" Moore to get out of the race, the question would then be who takes Moore's place on the ballot? (The better question might be whether or not the December 12th election still goes forward - or gets postponed for several months while the Republicans pick another candidate.)

Kay Ivey, our current Governor, is running for a full term as Governor in 2018. (Ivey became Governor after Robert Bentley, the "Luv Gov" resigned in disgrace over a sex scandal. Kay Ivey was our Lieutenant Governor so she got bumped up to Governor.) If the special election is called off or postponed, that will open up another can of worms ...

If Doug Jones appears to be on his way to a victory, assuming Roy Moore has withdrawn from the race, that may put a lot of pressure on Ivey (and/or the Alabama GOP) to either call the election off - or postpone it. I don't know, legally, whether or not Governor Ivey can call off (or postpone) the December 12 election. However, if the polls are indicating Doug Jones has a real chance of pulling off a victory, enormous pressure could be brought upon Governor Ivey (and the Alabama GOP) to throw a big monkey wrench into this imbroglio. If that happens, it will be popcorn time indeed!

So, I suppose it's going to boil down to two things: (1.) Do Roy Moore's poll numbers tank, suddenly producing a real race, and (2.) Does Moore get out of the race if # 1 becomes true? The real answer to these questions is: Nobody knows what the hell is going to happen!

Last edited by Former DJ; 11-10-2017 at 06:26 AM.
11-10-2017 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
I grew up around one of the booster clubs for one of the big southern football programs. There was a businessman involved who everyone knew liked young boys. I know everyone knew because when I was 14 they all warned me to stay the hell away from him. But they all did business with him, he was one of them, and they all sinned somehow, some nonsense like that, and green is green.

Literally none of his supporters care. They all knew already.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.” Romans 3:23. Yep.
11-10-2017 , 08:28 AM
Alabama GOP right now: "well this isn't great but hey at least he isn't gay"
11-10-2017 , 08:29 AM
That's literally where we are in 2017. If you're a Alabama GOP senate candidate and you get outed as a pedophile, you still have two live cards. If you get outed as gay your campaign is instaover and you probably get charges filed against you.
11-10-2017 , 09:06 AM
Even Louisiana looked at David Vitter and decided his baggage was too much. And his scandal involved adults.
11-10-2017 , 09:12 AM
Vitter's scandal was in 2007 and he was re-elected in 2010
11-10-2017 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Noze
Even Louisiana looked at David Vitter and decided his baggage was too much. And his scandal involved adults.
Not really. He was still re-elected to the senate.

Last edited by eyebooger; 11-10-2017 at 09:16 AM. Reason: pony's baggage is too much
11-10-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
How did our state change? The late Bear Bryant paved the way for integration back in the early 1970's after he took his football team to Southern California and watched Sam Cunningham run all over his defense. After that drubbing, coach Bryant immediately declared that he would start recruiting African-American players at the University of Alabama. At the time some questioned the wisdom of Coach Bryant's decision - some of the racists might have thought black athletes couldn't be as good as white athletes. After watching Sam Cunningham running through his defensive line like it was Swiss cheese, coach Bryant saw the light. His response to the doubters was simple and to the point: "Do you want to win?" Bear Bryant did more to integrate this state - and ease racial tensions - than any politician. (Even George Wallace acknowledged that Coach Bryant was "the real Governor" of Alabama.)
I don't live in AL now, but I grew up there. I agree that attitudes in the state have changed for the better (though much work remains to be done), but it's pretty LOL to give a lot of the credit to Bear Bryant.
11-10-2017 , 10:02 AM
11-10-2017 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 425kid
Nothing turns out your marginal voters like "Vote for a guy you're disgusted by so you can vote for someone else in 6 months".

Like that might work if Trump was on the ballot too and campaigning in Alabama. But who the **** is campaigning and going door to door convincing people of this strategy
+1

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11-10-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Is anyone else actually printed on the ballot, though? Like a libertarian?
"I am really distressed about pedophile activity, therefore I am voting libertarian this year" definitely sounds like a thought that a plurality of voters are likely to have.

      
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