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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
I get your point. Thing is I believe you get his also. I don't need to know the difference between a liger and an pure bred asiatic lion to not want to have lions in my neighborhood. If american mountain lion fans also lose out unfairly when get lions are banned I'm not that concerned, even if they are correct about my lack of understanding on the subject.
One reason I find that thread overwhelmingly fascinating is that it might mean I'm literally, thoroughly insane, like the character Hal Incandenza at the beginning of Infinite Jest where he thinks he's speaking calmly and clearly but it's actually demonic gibberish.
Yeah, that bolded part seems reasonable and sensible. I know this because it's my argument, not his. I'm the one saying, uhhh if you want to ban lions you should probably ban tigers and pumas too. There wouldn't be an argument if people thought the bolded.
I don't know if there's some new breed (heh) of pro-pitbull people online doing the woke thing, saying pitbulls cure cancer and what have you but the old reasonable conversation would go like:
"We should ban pitbulls."
"OK, why?"
"They're strong and dangerous and were bred to be aggressive."
"Let's assume that's true. Should we ban the other dogs like that too?"
"Yes, all big, strong, scary dogs."
"OK, I see your point."
Rather than lions and tigers, the gun analogy trotted out backfires even better. There's a gun-control side and a pro-gun side but nobody is saying, "Let's ban S&W 9mms, they're the most popular handgun." Because that would be ****ing deranged.
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I can concede that you have a pov in that case that holds some value to the discussion but it isn't the check mate you believe it to be imo.
It's the entire discussion but it's not meant to be a checkmate, it's clowning on a subset of White Man Storytime on steroids starring a clown so intellectually bankrupt he can't be bothered to or is incapable of opening a ****ing wikipedia tab. Also, lol, 'checkmate' kinda implies I'm playing a game of chess rather than watching a drooler choke to death on a pawn as he tries to set up the pieces. Pitbulls are out the window at this point.
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Without naming the other argument or baiting it, I think it shows you are coming at it from a fanatical place and it clouds your perspective.
You mean the image I posted? I was going in a different direction but we can talk about that, this is a big boy forum. It's comically obvious that's an impetus for some non-zero amount of those dudes to insist on old-timey understandings of genetics but I didn't have gregorio in mind.
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This is just my opinion on it and of course that is coming from someone who would agree a pit bull ban is best for everyone including the pit bulls and pit mixes, so biased for sure.
Yeah, I posted this seven years ago:
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
Suzzer,
This thread led me to read more about dog legislation in non-US countries and it seems like the US is the only place with this pit-bull type dog fixation. Other countries just lump the pitbull in with all the other big, strong and potentially dangerous dogs.
I know this thread started with you talking about pitbulls specifically but I believe your stance changed to reflect all potentially dangerous dogs? (correct me if I'm wrong) If so, it can't be denied you have a point, in the sense that if a toy poodle decided to spaz out the damage would be far less than a pitbull/rottweiler/mastiff/presa/husky/etc doing the same. I was frustrated with the 'pro-pit' people earlier using comparisons with poodles and the like. It's not that they don't have a point, it's that the point is not the one being debated. Obviously a pitbull should be compared to other dogs of equal and greater size and strength.
I am the proud caretake of a half staffordshire/rhodesian ridgeback (definitely a pitbull-type-dog) but I would not be opposed to legislation banning all big strong dangerous dogs, especially if it cut down on the abuse and neglect of all these dogs out here with broken homes and no homes. My frustration is of a very fundamental scientific nature when seeing pitbulls singled out for pseudo-scientific reasons, and I'm sure most 'pro-pit' people would agree.
Then the thread ended until dude decided to turn it into a
Breibart OOT
Black Pitbull Crime Blog.