Black people are allowed to vote in Alabama.

No.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/o...sion.html?_r=0

Really?

As it turns out ... Bentley's driver's license closures were racial, after all

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...eys_drive.html

Crazy spread between the two polls out today so far. Two more polls still to be released per Harry Enten.

That article clearly notes that many black people vote in Alabama. Yes, there appears to be voter suppression directed towards Democrats and black people. The US Justice Department should open an investigation and probably intervene in Alabama election procedures (next time presumably as it is too late for the special). But it is false that black people aren't allowed to vote. Black people in Alabama are allowed to vote (except for felons), and should make sure to do so tomorrow.

You are of course correct about this. My comment was intended to refer to the comparison of two people with essentially the same opportunities, and yes that should have been made clear but wasn't. I was responding to a statement to the effect that book learning ain't worth ****, which is typically espoused by people who have had opportunities and not made use of them.

OP I'm going to give you the same advice I give every SMP and SMP adjacent weirdo to come here.

You guys flip out about swears, but this **** where you assume that everyone you're addressing is impossibly stupid is incredibly insulting.

Did you think that anyone reading this literally believed no black people would be voting in Alabama? That the people who wrote the original comment or the generously polite initial response were UNAWARE of the information that you've brought them?

For ****'s sake.

BruceZ is that you?

It seems like over there they just jerk off to whoever can write the most words without actually saying anything.

Lol

Original Position is a RGT mod/poster not SMP.

What's the difference?

Of course Loki is aware of this. However, I've met and registered a lot of low-information voters, and telling them how hard it is to vote, or that they can't vote, or that they might get in trouble for voting is a good way to disincentivize them from doing so. They often aren't aware that this isn't true. Loki was just being hyperbolic and didn't mean anything by it, but that hyperbolic message is still actively harmful to Democratic GOTV and voter registration efforts. I doubt there are many Alabama voters on 2p2, so it doesn't matter much, but whatever, none of this matters much.

SMP has like triple the traffic.

So like a post every single day instead of once every three days

Man, what did fly just say about insulting the intelligence of your audience?

Science vs. Religion

My comment to Loki was about rhetoric, not facts. FlyWf seems to think I was pointing out that Loki was wrong as a matter of fact. I was actually trying to post about the dangers of the rhetoric Loki was using. This is, presumably, a real disagreement between us. What about that insults anyone's intelligence?

There is no floor

fyp

I hope you mean this literally and not rhetorically.

For years dems have been bitten by the "Oh well they couldn't possibly (insert objectively horrific thing here)" then Repubs turn around and do it. Benghazi, emails, Garland, Trump, courting white nationalists, abetting collusion with Russia in the election, Moore--it goes on and on, lower and lower. Which is why it's crucial we make this point not rhetorically, but literally; not as an commentary on the present, but as an obvious sign of what's to come: there is no floor.

Republicans will literally do anything to grow their power, and more broadly to divert wealth from the middle class to the ultra rich. (Hell, the tax cuts can cynically be seen as Republicans salvaging an objectively failed presidency and desperately resorting to addressing their sole real policy goal.)

From completely trampling civil rights, starting wars to gain support, allowing Trump to refuse to leave office if he contests the results of an election her loses, allowing Trump to ignore term limits: we should put literally nothing past Republicans. They are trading partly on the general assumption that they exist within a range of behaviors and values, and we're outraged and adjust our expectations each time they violate this. It has happened enough that our baseline expectation must instead be that they will breach this range of behaviors and values whenever it benefits them, even if it only benefits them marginally. That's the new normal.

I can't really tell what you disagree with me about, but I get that you think I am a bad person.

I completely agree with you but I dont know what to do about it. My non-political friends think I'm exaggerating when I say things like you describe.

I think it's a huge problem - Republicans and DJT blatantly trashing important democratic norms (and just basic decency) but all the people warning of this cast are aside as either partisan (and thus equally guilty, somehow. "Both sides!") Or just wrong ("you said Hillary would win for sure, why should I listen to you at all?")

So now we have got little girls interviewing Roy Moore as the president campaigns for him to come sign the blatantly oligarchic tax bill. But regular people are tuned out because politics and both sides dontchaknow. Depressing loop and Idk how to get out of it.