British Muslims are overwhelmingly of Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage.

I hate to break it to you right wing scaredy cats but if Muslims really wanted to create chaos and kill Americans, it's not that hard. People underestimate how easy it is to kill when you have a weapon. I'm pretty sure every person on this forum could go out and kill 10 people if they were so inclined. Just buy a gun and walk into a restaurant, movie theater, library, bar or any other place where people congregate.

Adding onto this....if you look at the two stabbing sprees that happened in the past 48 hours, one in Finland, and the other in Russia, one might look at these attacks as unremarkable, with 2 and 0 deaths respectively (and hopefully those numbers stay as-is!). Ah, no big worry there.

But you'd be completely missing the intentionality at play here. The attacker in each, as is the case in so many of these attacks, was trying to kill as MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, and it is only because of ineptitude or luck or what have you that so few people died.

If you tally up attacks that have failed in the planning stages or "failed" because of terrorist ineptitude, we've dodged thousands upon thousands of deaths from Islamic extremism.

Sure. It can't possibly be because these countries you mentioned have stricter gun control laws than the US.

Huh, not condemning terrorist attacks is a huge problem, you say? Wanting to institute conservative religious law is a huge problem, you say? Opposition to tolerance, equality, and justice is a huge problem, you say?

The barrier to entry for a Muslim to be converted into terrorism is a whole hell of a lot of religious brainwashing, combined with a very exploitable grievance.

You have to convince a human to both commit suicide and murder random innocent people going about their lives while that person is committing suicide.

But don't mix up the point here...a person born into a religion isn't a problem. Muslim people aren't a problem. The violent, backward dogma of Islam is the problem.

Probably correct, but this response betrays that you are both missing the point, and purposefully trying to miss the point!

LOL wat? JFC educate yourself before spewing a #HotTake like that.

What point am I missing? It's harder to kill people when you don't have access to a gun.

Yeah and it almost supplants the point I was making: if one examines what the terrorists are trying to achieve, it is attempting to kill a lot of people.

Whether they successfully kill them or not (i.e. whether they kill 10 with a gun or 0 with a knife) is not what I was talking about.

It is that there are so many terrorists trying to kill as many people as possible, and the potential victim list is a lot higher than the actual victim list. That's a fundamental problem with pointing to fatalities and declaring that this a low probability outcome that you'll be felled by an Islamic terrorist: there are an insanely high number of failed or "unsuccessful" attacks. The number of people that Islamic extremists are attempting to kill is a ****load higher than the number killed.

The BIG problem with Muslim society is their illeberalism, says white man in country ruled by Donald Trump.

What's the exploitable grievance?

Do you have any exploitable grievances?

Muslims make up about a quarter of the Earth's population, some 1.8 billion people. The number of active terrorists is in the thousands. Not a large percentage.

In Britain there are about 2.8 million Muslims. The number who have carried out terrorist attacks here is in the dozens, plus a few hundred who went off to join Islamic State overseas. Not a large percentage. (Just 0.1% would be 2,800.)

goddamn domer sucks

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Did he seriously say Muslims aren't the problem, Islam is?

Did I read that right?

There where reports of that too.

US = Finns. 99.9% are really pale here (only a slight exaggeration). You can spin it anyway you want but this is not a skin color issue to me. As an atheist I take the science vs religion position. All religions are tribal at their core. Gives perfect cover for terrorism. If you are moderately religious, it must be hard to accept the fact that you are enabling terrorism. Must be a full time job to rationalize why you would not be partly responsible. But you are and only way to alleviate your guilt would be to do what Bill Burr did and just let it go.


Latest is 2 dead. 8 injured. Suspect is from Morocco. Came to Finland in 2016 as refugee.

They put big concrete planters and the like in such places. The problem is they also make it impossible for ambulances and firemen. In Spain they put them in for particular events (e.g. christmas parade) and remove them in general. There's only so much one can do in a place like the center of Barcelona where there literally is hardly space to move in the summertime.

The kids who did the recent Barcelona attack were, by all accounts, not very religious. They smoked, drank, etc. and didn't go to mosque much.

This is more like street gangs. Socially isolated kids, such as second generation immigrants from a marginalized subculture (as Moroccan kids in Spain are), gravitate towards the machismo, sexism, and idealism of any sort of primitive us versus them all in it together to the death ranting. Throw in a handful of small time drug traffickers looking to grow and one or two true believers and you get Islamic terrorists in Spain and the five percenters/nation of islam types in NYC and Chicago. In a different context you get ETA in Spain and the IRA in Ireland. Guns, drugs and money and brotherhood go looking for a self-justifying mythology. The problem with Islam is that there are more true believers and the jihadi vision of Al-Andalus and restoring the caliphate and all that is truly horrible to another level. It's not dissimilar to nazism.

7 stabbed in Siberia in attack that happened two days ago and got zero coverage, thus helping us to narrow the borders of "places where terrorism matters" versus "places where it doesn't" (seems the line is somewhere east of Moscow but west of Kazan)

haha first time reading a domer post it seems.

4.4% of Britain's population is Muslim (5% England)

In the documentary what British Muslims really think....

66% would NOT tell police if someone they knew was getting involved with terrorist sympathisers.

52% believe homosexuality should be illegal

23% want sharia law

39% believe wives should obey their husbands

7% have some sympathy with ISIS

unfortunately more interesting question when it comes to sympathising with terrorism wasn't asked, ie how many sympathise with Al Qaeda, Hamas etc.

Anyway your numbers are wrong.

OK, let's get the numbers for American conservatives, but swapping, Sharia law for Biblical law, and ISIS for the alt-right.

Then we could get the numbers for conservative Jews, but swap sharia law for Torah law (if thats that's even a thing) and ISIS for Hasidic Jews.

Judiasm is a little different because of the lack of proselytizing. Orthodox Jews don't want non-Jews to adopt Jewish law for the most part. (Some extremists want things like stores/roads closed on the Sabbath, but I doubt even they care at all if it's not in their neighborhood and it's not a Jew doing it.)

I was just posting a random reply to the reply I seen as random to my post. Although I live quite near to an Hasidic Jewish community I have no idea what their views are.