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Not even convinced they will go, but even if they do go it solves practically nothing.

I don't know that this will change anything, but the difference for this shooting is that it's on video.

One thing not to be forgotten about is the massive number of injured. Yes, they didn't pay the ultimate price for being at the concert, but 500 people will to a varying degree be physically reminded of the event for the rest of their lives. This is taking proportions when people start thinking if government can't protect them.

Came here to say exactly this. If any legislation come from this event, the video and audio will be a driving force imo. In previous mass shootings I don't recall there being so much first hand video of the event circulating non-stop for days. The videos are terrifying. They allow people to put themselves in the middle of a massacre much easier than reading about it in the newspaper a day later does.

Las Vegas should have immediately launched an ad campaign making country music concerts AND video poker illegal.

This would put everyone at ease and people would flock to Vegas feeling as secured as a swaddled newborn.

Ny Times is a pretty suspect media outlet these days save for a few writers.

Some guy here was calling Vegas hospitals to see what they needed. The top of the list was blood and mental health professionals.

Add to that 20k people thinking "It could have been me, for real", and their relatives and friends. And other people thinking about them. Thinking about there may be a guy taking shelter, killing and injuring hundreds at a gathering even they or their family may attend.

They've already half forgotten it.

For the record I wasn't calling stupid those who took it seriously. I'm just shaking my head that it could easily and reasonably be assumed to be serious.

I feel like it wouldn't hurt. If full auto weapons are illegal then it's extremely dumb that devices that make a gun practically full auto are legal.


Hopefully more of these mass shootings are on video in the future. (Yes, i just typed that sentence. What a world we live in.)

Political power in the US isn't distributed equally to regular people. Due to gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter disinterest, geography, etc. a large share of political leverage is afforded to John and Jane Gun Nut. If everything else played out the same but in 2009 instead of 2017, you might be see bump stock bans or whatever. But 2017 America, power is in the hands of hardcore right-wing extremists. To imagine gun control passing is to imagine Paul Ryan / Mitch McConnell et allow for it. There are a lot of reasons they and their party are immunized to an extent from popular political pressure so it's simply not enough to say popular political pressure will win the day.

I agree, FWIW, that people are scared, but John and Jane Gun Nutter and the GOP -- when scared -- do not behave predictably or logically. Do not assume they will settle on gun control. 2017 America is partly a story of a nation under some deep stresses (many self inflicted, but that's a story for another day). And those deep stresses are not necessarily manifesting as logical responses. Almost the opposite. I agree mass shootings are weighing psychologically on right-wing America too, but I think it's time to take our Facebook news feeds and chain emails seriously. These people are taking their anxieties and lashing out at George ****ing Soros for buying MGM Resorts stock. Take this response seriously, stop dismissing it. Part of the anxiety NORMAL people should feel about 2017 America isn't just that maniac right-wingers see a guy shoot 500 people and muse about a rich Jew being behind it all, but that normal people assume that 'regular people' are actually secretly pining for gun control now.

Anyway, this is Minority Rule America yo, get used to it. Popular support isn't enough for now. The people in power are largely immune to generic, popular support and instead are beholden to smaller number of hardcore partisans and activists who are operating with a different set of incentives.

Ya but then only the criminals will have bump stocks. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a bump stock is a good guy with a bump stock. yada yada yada...

Have you guy been paying attention at all for the last 30 years?

I think there's a chance bump stocks will be banned as a token response, one which will be pointed to, after the next mass shooting, as evidence that legislation is fundamentally impotent, price of freedom blah blah.

Banning bump stocks IS fundamentally impotent because it solves practically nothing.

But if they do it we're all going to nod our heads and agree that at least it's doing something, and hey look how even the NRA is finally on board to help solve the problem. What a joke.

Yeah, banning bump stocks is the best possible result gun control advocates can reasonably hope for, and it's completely worthless. The NRA checked their records, saw that bump stocks sold for ****, and that they were too dangerous for their own gun ranges, and said maybe we can let the libs have this one as long they agree to blame it on Obama and do it through regulation, not legislation. There is roughly zero chance that a rate of fire cap - you know, something that would actually have saved lives in Las Vegas - will be put into law.

Scales on MTP. What a scumbag. The way people are fawning over him because he was shot is repulsive. His positions on guns is evil. Period.

God, Republicans are such ****ing cowards

I actually spent the day yesterday at a gun range, shooting a variety of stuff. Two that stuck with me were a 22 with a suppressor and subsonic ammo and another gun (m4 carbine?) shooting subsonic 300 blackout rounds with a suppressor. The 22 was so ****ing quiet you could miss the gunfire in any background noise. The 300 BLK was a bit louder but still crazy quiet for the power. It was kinda surreal doing this so soon after Laz Vegas, and all I could think about were how these could be used in a mass shooting (a pretty ****ed up thought).

A possible scenario is:

The bump stocks will be banned, because they make practically fully automated weapons, which are already illegal. This is almost inevitable, imo. Legalizing fully automated weapons is the other option, well...will not take place.

The question is if and what more will happen. Having to ban even something will rise the question: is this enough? Then you may get the opinion that semi automated rifles are too powerful too, and they could be banned in at least some states.

At least everybody is more sensitive to doing something should a new mass shooting occur. The Vegas massacre would then be brought up from (at that time, sorry to say) relative oblivion. With an added: why have the authorities done so little?

Maybe LV hasn't, but the rest of the country has already moved on from this unless you happened to be personally affected.

I think that from a tourist perspective anyway LV has already moved on. My girl and I were there Sunday night and got stuck in Absinthe for 3 hours while this **** was going on. Didn’t get back to our room until about 3am. Strip was eerily quiet and we had to show IDs and room cards to get inside. Once inside I thought for sure it would be empty but there were still plenty of people drinking, gambling and walking around. Next morning about 5 hours later when we checked out the pool was full, casino was bustling, and there was no way you’d know almost 60 people just got killed 12 hours before. Literally a couple miles from us.

It's necessary to go on with one's life. But there will be a sense government should make that possible in the future by taking action now.

The next big event that can be trademarked by the media to capture the public imagination with a week long news cycle will be the biggest factor imo. If it is another shooting something will happen. If it is a nuclear stand off, war, natural disaster or if we go long enough that a president/celebrity twitter feud or something similar gets legs it's in the rear view.