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11-16-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutch101
Michelle Obama would be amazing. Hope that at some point she will run for some sort of office.
She has stated multiple times she has no interest in governing and she doesn't seem like the type of person to bull**** her response to that question
11-16-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
The next dem SCOTUS appointment should be no older than 28.
And have a documented liberal bent on civil rights and abortion
11-16-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Once Trump is out of office whether he leaves willingly or not, the deplorables are gonna jump ship. It's gonna be the bat**** Tea Party on the extreme right, the Democratic party in the middle/left and the GOP will be stuck neither here nor there. Because of Trump, they've managed to alienate women, minorities, and pretty much anyone that's not a brain dead Trumpkin. Once he's gone, these people will have nothing to latch onto. Think they are going to show up to Mike Pence rallies screaming "Lock her up!"?
This is kinda the general argument I've been making. Trump broke the "don't break unless there is an emergency" glass and the GOP is going to have to clean up the mess.

Like the GOP 2012 autopsy wasn't wrong. They needed to change direction if they were going to be a majority party. Trump came in with his "hold my beer" strategy of maximizing turnout among resentful old white voters, who vote like it's their job but have a short life expectancy. 2016 was the ultimate "one-time" election, with Trump employing a single-game strategy when politics is essentially an infinite game.

The only thing that will keep the GOP from dying as a party is the nature of the Senate and that Mitch played a high-risk game by holding up Garland and creating a backlog of other judicial vacancies. However, even if courts get bad, there's plenty that can be done. The post civil war republicans basically delegitimized and blew the conservative SCt off, and the new deal dems acted similarly, both to great effect.

Last edited by simplicitus; 11-16-2018 at 04:43 PM.
11-16-2018 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Yeah Bret's obviously dumb but even my boy Carville didn't think the wave was coming early on as the returns started rolling in.
11-16-2018 , 05:01 PM
James Carville had a 2016 style meltdown on election night when the early returns weren't looking that great and Nate Silver had the GOP favoured to keep the house.

11-16-2018 , 05:02 PM

https://twitter.com/ntdPhD/status/1062789368925077505
11-16-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
What was going in the heads of these non-Senator voters? Weren't they aware that there even was a Senate race? Or were they aware but didn't realize that they never pencilled in a vote for Senator? Not sure which option is worse.
Luckily in other fields, we realize that when many people make the same mistake, the system is to blame (in this case the ballot), and not the people.

It's basically victim blaming. Voters come in all ages and abilities, including very olds, non-english speakers, and the illiterate.
11-16-2018 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by odb
Luckily in other fields, we realize that when many people make the same mistake, the system is to blame (in this case the ballot), and not the people.

It isn't a binary choice. I don't think anybody is disputing that the ballot is terribly designed. That doesn't the voters are blameless.
11-16-2018 , 06:04 PM
I kinda hope the margin in Florida stays around 12k after the recount because if it gets down under 10k my lawnmower is going straight for the sun.
11-16-2018 , 06:33 PM

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1063557821759979520

Let the great voting wars begin
11-16-2018 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1063557821759979520

Let the great voting wars begin
good. I'm glad she's not just taking this quietly. At the least it should make people sympathetic to the cause who are less aware understand just how oppressive the current system is.
11-16-2018 , 06:55 PM
The failing New York Times on Abrams: Stacey Abrams Ends Fight for Georgia Governor

Not a word about the lawsuit, not sure if we're missing details or if NYT is dropping the ball. The Boston Globe has this:

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Democrat Stacey Abrams on Friday said she can’t win the Georgia governor’s race, effectively ending her challenge to Republican Brian Kemp.

She also said she’ll file a federal lawsuit to challenge the “gross mismanagement” of Georgia’s elections.

Her speech Friday effectively puts a stop to the contest. The final result had been in doubt for 10 days after the election.
11-16-2018 , 06:59 PM
WAR stacey
11-16-2018 , 08:09 PM
She spit hot fire.
11-16-2018 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
This is kinda the general argument I've been making. Trump broke the "don't break unless there is an emergency" glass and the GOP is going to have to clean up the mess.

Like the GOP 2012 autopsy wasn't wrong. They needed to change direction if they were going to be a majority party. Trump came in with his "hold my beer" strategy of maximizing turnout among resentful old white voters, who vote like it's their job but have a short life expectancy. 2016 was the ultimate "one-time" election, with Trump employing a single-game strategy when politics is essentially an infinite game.

The only thing that will keep the GOP from dying as a party is the nature of the Senate and that Mitch played a high-risk game by holding up Garland and creating a backlog of other judicial vacancies. However, even if courts get bad, there's plenty that can be done. The post civil war republicans basically delegitimized and blew the conservative SCt off, and the new deal dems acted similarly, both to great effect.
Yea, like most people here, I hate Trump. But I've been doing a lot of thinking the past few months. As bad as Trump is, and he is bad, in a way, he's done more good for the country than people realize. Prior to 2018, I never really got involved in politics. I voted but that was about it. In 2018, I wrote letters to Congress, recruited about 10 people to vote, protested, and was much more vocal than I used to be. My sister went to law school to be an ACLU lawyer. Look at all the women winning elections. Stuff like this is happening all across the US. This is all good and it's a direct effect of Trump being elected.

All this despite Turtle doing his damn best to rig the courts. Your vote really does count. And we are seeing it now. It's still a dystopian landscape but I have faith.

We haven't even really got into the meat of the Mueller investigation yet. I suspect a lot of people will be under fire and not just Trump. The Trumpkins will never get on board but the rest of the US will see through the BS and act accordingly.
11-16-2018 , 10:42 PM
The problem, Matty, is that it's going to end up setting us back decades on so many fronts that all those silver linings are going to be wasted on returning to the 2015 status quo by like 2030 on many issues, at which point you can argue against any benefit because we just spent 15 years taking two steps back and two steps forward instead of one step forward.
11-17-2018 , 12:15 AM
That's really looking for a silver lining.
11-17-2018 , 04:16 PM
Kavanaugh will still rule against the Democrats on every issue out of spite in 2050. We don't even know if we have until 2030 to meaningfully combat global warming.
11-17-2018 , 05:37 PM

https://twitter.com/nicholaskitchel/...62658628272129
11-17-2018 , 06:08 PM

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...76897338257408
11-17-2018 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus

https://twitter.com/nicholaskitchel/...62658628272129

11-17-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Kavanaugh will still rule against the Democrats on every issue out of spite in 2050. We don't even know if we have until 2030 to meaningfully combat global warming.
He'd be in his mid 70s in 2050. With all the drinking he'll croak before then.
11-17-2018 , 11:02 PM
I had missed the karmic conclusion to this one.

NC GOP passed legislation to make Supreme Court legislations partisan, adding party designations on ballots. They also eliminated primaries and encouraged multiple democrats to run against their one incumbent, thinking that would split the vote and guarantee their victory. Instead a Democrat, Chris Anglin, ran as a second republican and only one person ran as a Democrat. The NC GOP then sued to eliminate Anglins Republican designation on the ballot, and they were denied by the courts.


11-17-2018 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
I had missed the karmic conclusion to this one.

NC GOP passed legislation to make Supreme Court legislations partisan, adding party designations on ballots. They also eliminated primaries and encouraged multiple democrats to run against their one incumbent, thinking that would split the vote and guarantee their victory. Instead a Democrat, Chris Anglin, ran as a second republican and only one person ran as a Democrat. The NC GOP then sued to eliminate Anglins Republican designation on the ballot, and they were denied by the courts.


This is awesome. This Anglin dude definitely needs to make a serious run at something. This is the kind of stuff that the left needs to do. If they're going to fight dirty, you fight back. And I don't even think I'd classify what he did as particularly dirty to begin with, although I'm sure there are those who would disagree.
11-17-2018 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
I had missed the karmic conclusion to this one.

NC GOP passed legislation to make Supreme Court legislations partisan, adding party designations on ballots. They also eliminated primaries and encouraged multiple democrats to run against their one incumbent, thinking that would split the vote and guarantee their victory. Instead a Democrat, Chris Anglin, ran as a second republican and only one person ran as a Democrat. The NC GOP then sued to eliminate Anglins Republican designation on the ballot, and they were denied by the courts.




Truly amazing. What a hero. Tanked his own shot to do what’s right.

      
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