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2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right? 2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right?

12-22-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Paygo waiver passed, with a fair number of Dem votes in the Senate. I have not seen much political analysis of how those votes were obtained.
Spineless bastards. I want NAMES.
12-22-2017 , 01:25 PM
Without looking, Cory Booker. **** that guy so hard.
12-22-2017 , 01:31 PM
He actually voted no! Still, **** him.

Carper
Coons
Donnelly
McCaskill
Manchin
Leahy
Kaine
Heitkamp
Heinrich
Hassan
Nelson
Peters
Shaheen
Stabenow
Tester
Udall
Warner

Nice party you got there Democrats. ****ing useless.
12-22-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Actually, most Americans don't like it. It's stunningly unpopular (net favorability -19), especially for a massive tax cut bill that provides an immediate cash benefit to most households.
Yeah, and apparently republicans are very concerned about this. They don’t have any effective and trusted messengers (2/3s of the country understand Trump is just a fat liar and congressional republicans are just less fat versions of Trump) so they’re going with an ad blitz. Having to spend money on ads to tell people how they are getting more money so they shouldn’t hate the tax plan when that would have been automatic with competent leadership.
12-22-2017 , 01:35 PM
They included it as part of the can-kicking on the budget to January.

I don't see how Ds had that strong of a hand here.

Ds: this tax bill resulted in automatic spending cuts to Medicare

Trump: yes, but they could be easily waived and I asked you to vote with Rs to waive them

Ds: yeah, but still, you should have never signed the tax bill!
12-22-2017 , 01:37 PM
Just straight opposing everything the Republicans want is not a bad play. They are really unpopular!
12-22-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Yeah, and apparently republicans are very concerned about this. They don’t have any effective and trusted messengers (2/3s of the country understand Trump is just a fat liar and congressional republicans are just less fat versions of Trump) so they’re going with an ad blitz. Having to spend money on ads to tell people how they are getting more money so they shouldn’t hate the tax plan when that would have been automatic with competent leadership.
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
12-22-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
Maybe the competent Republicans should do something about this instead of getting continually cucked by the MSM, sad.
12-22-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Maybe the competent Republicans should do something about this instead of getting continually cucked by the MSM, sad.
Yeah! Trump and Congressional leadership should invest in MSM holdings and really take control of the message!
12-22-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
You are a poor judge of human nature. People don't just consider their own station in a vacuum when deciding whether or not they got a good deal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game
12-22-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Just straight opposing everything the Republicans want is not a bad play. They are really unpopular!
Which is why every D with Presidential aspirations voted against it. More because of DACA and CHIP than this.
12-22-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
I've heard that complaint, that the media is misinforming the public and on the side of the Democrats so there's wide spread confusion, but I don't think it's true. If they wanted a bill with tax cuts for the lower and middle class as the centerpiece they could have written a bill to do that. They didn't. They wrote a bill with corporations as the centerpiece and it turns out corporations aren't people, they're composed of people and the majority of those people have picked up, accurately, that the GOP tax bill isn't about them; their cuts are periphery, small, and temporary and many may even see their taxes even go up while corporations' tax cuts are permanent, concrete, and drastically lower.

Even if you assume the media is on the Democrat's side, the GOP could have written a budget neutral corporate tax reduction that didn't open up the possibility that people's taxes would go up or, perhaps, only the wealthiest's taxes would and there wouldn't be that fear lurking out there at all.
12-22-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Yeah! Trump and Congressional leadership should invest in MSM holdings and really take control of the message!
Wait.. why shouldn't they?

After all, all the great work they are doing for the American people is getting hampered by the fact that the MSM is in the Democrats' pockets, right?
12-22-2017 , 01:52 PM
You have Fox News to get your message out about how everything Trump does is the best and greatest thing ever and anyone who says Trump did something bad is a dirty, corrupt cop that should be walked out in handcuffs.

Sorry, your whining about bias in the media is a bit pathetic.
12-22-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
Maybe. The thing is people don’t really care about taxes at all. It loses to healthcare, immigration, terrorism, culture wars and practically everything in terms of importance in voters mind. So people now are saying they are against it just because they don’t like Trump. So assuming Trump is still largely perceived as a fat liar, I don’t see a lot of people that are going to change their opinions on this over an extra 1k. But perhaps that’s elitist and out of touch with how you people actually live.

And FYI, conservative media has the least informed, most wrong, most lied to viewership of all. Even controlling for the fact that these people might/probably be less bright to begin with, the MSM does a good job informing people.

This is particularly true in 2017 where Trumps incompetence has forced the media to do stuff like out Flynn for breaking laws and working for dictators while holding a powerful position that he certainly would not have had under even the dumbest potus pre Trump.

Last edited by ecriture d'adulte; 12-22-2017 at 02:17 PM.
12-22-2017 , 02:02 PM
Give 'em $1k in one shot, maybe it makes a difference. $1k spread out $38 at a time.. no ****ing way.
12-22-2017 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
How much more do you think people will get?

My next paycheck could be ±$25 and I guarantee I would not notice.

EDIT: Basically what TiltedDonkey said.
12-22-2017 , 02:09 PM
Did tsao actually figure out the real percent change for his tax burden, or is he still laboring under the delusion that he’s getting a 4% cut? Just curious if he should be taken seriously yet.
12-22-2017 , 02:22 PM
They're having a party in first class while the rest of us are sharing bags of peanuts in coach. They didn't even bother to draw the curtain. Of course this **** is unpopular.
12-22-2017 , 02:24 PM
My Megacorp just announced a Trump Bonus. I'll take the $, but GTFO

$20 billion in 2016 net profit
12-22-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
Same posters still continue to post, same posters seem to still be way out of touch with reality. MAGA, cant wait in 3 years to watch this forum cry again on election night when Trump wins in a landslide.
If you want to beat the rush you could enjoy some tears of people getting kicked off healthcare.
12-22-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Yeah! Trump and Congressional leadership should invest in MSM holdings and really take control of the message!
Ah, the anti-government libertarian principles of a Ron Paul voter
12-22-2017 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
It's not about competent leadership - the MSM is aligned with the democrats, they've got people convinced their rates are going up while the rates for wealthy Americans are going down. All of that is going to come to an end when people get their paychecks and their taxes are lower, not higher.
The alternate view is that people are angry that the rich are going to see the vast majority of the benefits of this tax bill, and the MSM simply did their job by accurately reporting that fact instead of repeating the false GOP narrative that this bill was aimed at helping the middle class, and not a giveaway to the wealthy donors who pull the strings of their puppets in the government.
12-22-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
I'm in the Midwest and literally do not know a single person that is unhappy
hahahaha this is one of the best posts I've ever seen. How can Trump lose now that we have THIS info?!
12-22-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Maybe. The thing is people don’t really care about taxes at all.
This. At least with the trump supporters i know. But they are apparently an odd poor bunch so ymmv. All i got is meh...from most and what is 20 bucks a paycheck going to do for me from a couple of them.

Im sure their raises from business getting to keep more money will come soon though which will switch it up...lol...lol

Last edited by batair; 12-22-2017 at 03:22 PM.

      
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