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2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right? 2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right?

12-02-2017 , 03:02 AM
Eat a DICK everyone onstage. Especially you, turtle-scrotum chinned McConnell.
12-02-2017 , 03:31 AM
Just had a look at National Review to see if they had any hot takes on this tax bill. One of their articles was headlined The Tax-Reform Debate and Defense Spending. "Holy ****!", I thought. "Maybe the deficit implications of this bill are going to induce some sanity out of the right on defense spending". So I clicked through to the article. Here is the sub-heading:

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If deficit reduction is no longer Congress’s primary concern, why not eliminate the ruinous spending caps that continue to hamstring our military?
12-02-2017 , 03:47 AM
WTF?????????

5% of the world population

25% of the prisoners in the world

40% of the military spending in the world (probably more like 60%)
12-02-2017 , 03:53 AM
Keith Olbermann on Citizens United back in 2010



Seemed crazy

Part of it still seems crazy

But damn if it isn't increasingly prescient
12-02-2017 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
WTF?????????

5% of the world population

25% of the prisoners in the world

40% of the military spending in the world (probably more like 60%)
The reasoning in the article is literally "Congress is acting as though fiscal restraint doesn't matter, therefore fiscal restraint doesn't matter, therefore let's spend more on the military". The author is an ex Senator.
12-02-2017 , 04:17 AM
House #2 McCarthy says conference. How long before they just give up on that and let the house pass the senate's monstrosity? I say by the 12th. Watch this space.

12-02-2017 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
I fully expect Democrats to win everything back then promptly go back to having long reasoned debates with themselves and negotiating against themselves to win non existent policy oriented centrists
haha, but dems won win. they may be more popular and even get more votes, but you better believe the repubs will win via fraud going forward.
12-02-2017 , 04:52 AM
The amendments are ridic too, one taxes gift cards if you got it as employee of the month award.

You'll just have to pull up those bootstraps and accept this hearty pat on the back instead like we used to.
12-02-2017 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
If the economy stays above 3% for the next 2-4 years it won't have had much of anything to do with these tax cuts. Most likely it will be because the economy is already rapidly expanding without them.

Pushing tax cuts into a market that is already doing well and then claiming the tax cuts caused the market is more than a little dishonest.

We (as a society) need to have a conversation about how much the government spends and on what... But changing the tax code to further favor the rich at a time when inequality is probably our single biggest economic problem is obviously lolwtfstupid.

Repeat after me "Giving cash to people with a marginal propensity to save north of 80% at a time when global capital supply is brutally oversupplied is not stimulative". Nothing about that statement is anything but 100% factual. It's not ideological, it's factual.

Conservatives need to be arguing for smaller government spending and they need to be specific. The stuff they specify needs to actually be terrible for the country, not merely stuff they don't like. Government programs with good results need to get bigger and government programs with bad results need to disappear altogether and have their funding used to pay down the national debt.

It is not conservative to massively increase the national debt to give people richer than me a big tax cut. I don't need a tax cut either. I want the economy to grow so my business can keep expanding like crazy. 5% in marginal tax rate isn't going to make any difference in my strategy whatsoever.
This is a fantastic post.
12-02-2017 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
cool story but Gary Johnson was also on the ballot and he got my vote.
Voting for Gary Johnson is the same as voting for Trump. If you think otherwise, you shouldn't be allowed out of the house.
12-02-2017 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
I'm simply done with anyone and everyone who supports what the Rs are doing right now. This is a disgrace. You still support your #MAGA group? I'm done with you, completely.
Amen. If you are a conservative, fine. You do you even though we don't agree on things. If, however, you in any way support this Republican leadership, you should be allowed to talk or leave your house ever again.
12-02-2017 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
There are no words for how much I despise Mitch McConnell
Did you see the interview after the bill passed? He flat said the bill was heavily debated in regular senate order with several meetings and markups. Then he said it was clearly a revenue neutral bill. Any set of lies that big should disqualify you from breathing. I'm ready to do something. I can't ****ing stand this anymore. We are clearly turning into a totalitarian nation if we don't push back now.
12-02-2017 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
You're going to be surprised when the reporters head out to Trump country armed with the results of this tax plan and are stunned to hear that his fans still support him. Because ultimately he's still giving them what they want, someone in power screaming at minorities; taxes are secondary (except when they go to black people)

I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
The one thing people notice is if you mess with their money. When everything kicks in i think some of the people living on tight budgets will turn if the have to make them tighter. Maybe not. Who knows anymore.
12-02-2017 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
What I dont get is why people dont just literally storm their mansions and murder them and their families. There's not really that many of these guys out there and its completely insane that the billions of people they **** over even remotely tolerate it.
see this is the thing, i made a similar post about why some crazed yahoo doesn't go into congress and shoot up every one of them in response to the house passing AHCA- i was tempbanned at the time for advocating mass murder or some ****, but what's the end game? let's be realistic here. when your party is brazenly ****ing over millions of people, lots of whom are desperate and/or in a position where they have nothing more to live for, this becomes a plausible reality. also a highly effective mechanism for large-scale political change. they're already gaming the system via voter suppression, enabling of vote hacking, and district gerrymandering, so if there are no consequences for ruining the lives of millions of citizens then what else actually stops them? what, like, revolutions historically have been bloodless or something? plenty of dictators have been dragged out into the streets and murdered- do we ever talk retrospectively about what a shame and a tragedy it was?

we're approaching that point where somebody is going to do something drastic to make a statement. a person could even argue that somebody SHOULD do something drastic.

Last edited by +rep_lol; 12-02-2017 at 07:59 AM.
12-02-2017 , 08:49 AM
Rip olds

Kind of an enjoyable silver lining actually
12-02-2017 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
see this is the thing, i made a similar post about why some crazed yahoo doesn't go into congress and shoot up every one of them in response to the house passing AHCA- i was tempbanned at the time for advocating mass murder or some ****, but what's the end game? let's be realistic here. when your party is brazenly ****ing over millions of people, lots of whom are desperate and/or in a position where they have nothing more to live for, this becomes a plausible reality. also a highly effective mechanism for large-scale political change. they're already gaming the system via voter suppression, enabling of vote hacking, and district gerrymandering, so if there are no consequences for ruining the lives of millions of citizens then what else actually stops them? what, like, revolutions historically have been bloodless or something? plenty of dictators have been dragged out into the streets and murdered- do we ever talk retrospectively about what a shame and a tragedy it was?

we're approaching that point where somebody is going to do something drastic to make a statement. a person could even argue that somebody SHOULD do something drastic.
Yupp

The more they rig the rules/ laws against so many people the more they should expect people to stop following the rules/laws.
12-02-2017 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by spidercrab


Hard to argue with this.
Yeah, but like, he means that as a joke. He's mocking the absurdity of the process by showing the "mirror image".

Instead, he's goddamn right, that should be passed on January 21st 2021.

We told those lanyard dick dip****s for 8 ****ing years that there was no such thing as a deficit hawk, that the right was full of **** on that and nobody would ever give Obama any credit for his endless efforts to Grand Bargain away entitlements.

8 long years of not getting card check, not getting cap and trade, not getting single payer.

Liberals get the bullet too. Goddamn that makes me mad. "Cost: LOL" how many ****ing members of the Lovett family are uninsured?
12-02-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Yupp

The more they rig the rules/ laws against so many people the more they should expect people to stop following the rules/laws.
Yeah. It's absolutely legitimate to concern troll the GOP about what exact endgame they see from pursuing incredibly unpopular policies that will hurt the people who have the least to lose, voter suppression and gerrymandering to avoid facing electoral consequences for those policies, and completely unfettered access to firearms.
12-02-2017 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
Voting for Gary Johnson is the same as voting for Trump. If you think otherwise, you shouldn't be allowed out of the house.
I live in NJ, it was pretty safe bet that my vote wasn't going to effect the general election. Being a libertarian it was the best play to make.
12-02-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
The amendments are ridic too, one taxes gift cards if you got it as employee of the month award.

You'll just have to pull up those bootstraps and accept this hearty pat on the back instead like we used to.


For what it’s worth. Those were already consider taxable income.
12-02-2017 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
The one thing people notice is if you mess with their money. When everything kicks in i think some of the people living on tight budgets will turn if the have to make them tighter. Maybe not. Who knows anymore.


Oh they will. But it won’t be for 5 years when Dems are in control


We are banking on the intelligence of people that voted for trump.

GL with that
12-02-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
I live in NJ, it was pretty safe bet that my vote wasn't going to effect the general election. Being a libertarian it was the best play to make.
jfc, you have made this exact post like 15 times. no one cares. and every single other post you have mad has been in full support of trump and the republicans stealing from the poor to give to the rich or suppressing the rights of minorities.

it doesnt matter that you voted for gary johnson. it does matter that you have supported disgusting republican orthodoxy at every opportunity.
12-02-2017 , 09:55 AM
But hey, if the SALT deduction going away is too much he can just move
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12-02-2017 , 11:01 AM
I live in NJ, and Rara reminds me of every white upper-middle-class Monmouth county right-wing conservative . I don't know which county he lives in, but his posts reek of Middletown/Holmdel white privileged condescension - that may just be my own projection, because I have acquaintances who live there who talk and think exactly like him.

They all share the same traits - a hatred of Obama that they try to pretend is not based on racism, a parochial obsession with only the events that happen in their own town (local school boards, town athletic leagues, etc.), and a complete lack of concern for any policy that does not affect their own day-to-day life or bottom line.
12-02-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah, but like, he means that as a joke. He's mocking the absurdity of the process by showing the "mirror image".

Instead, he's goddamn right, that should be passed on January 21st 2021.
I took him seriously, that he's advocating full-bore "We're going to pass the stuff we want and have 0 regard for the deficit." Maybe I'm misreading him, I'm sure it will come up in a PSA podcast next week.

      
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