2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right? - Page 55 - Politics and Economics

So republicans are basically playing with their cards face up and assuming that their supporters will still call with one pair against their full house?

Maybe I’m being too optimistic but could this be the beginning of the end of the party? (I mean who cares about political parties with no country left)

You're going to be surprised when the reporters head out to Trump country armed with the results of this tax plan and are stunned to hear that his fans still support him. Because ultimately he's still giving them what they want, someone in power screaming at minorities; taxes are secondary (except when they go to black people)

I could be wrong though. I hope I'm wrong.

12-01-2017 , 11:28 PM

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dth123451

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I fully expect Democrats to win everything back then promptly go back to having long reasoned debates with themselves and negotiating against themselves to win non existent policy oriented centrists

12-01-2017 , 11:34 PM

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spidercrab

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Unexpected irritation of the night - C-SPAN doesn't have an HD feed (at least for me), so I'm watching this debacle on standard definition.

12-01-2017 , 11:35 PM

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JoltinJake

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Originally Posted by dth123451

I fully expect Democrats to win everything back then promptly go back to having long reasoned debates with themselves and negotiating against themselves to win non existent policy oriented centrists

They might. I hope they've learned something from tonight, or from the Gorsuch stolen seat, or from the many other recent examples of republicans proving that none of this stuff matters anymore.

I've been thinking about a line from a recent Vox article: "all that’s left is a raw contest of power". Unfortunately, I think it sums up the current political quite well.

12-02-2017 , 12:07 AM

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spidercrab

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Hard to argue with this.

12-02-2017 , 12:17 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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12-02-2017 , 12:39 AM

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Huehuecoyotl

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The other Senators get billion dollar pay offs for random things and Little Rubio can't even gather up enough courage to actually put his foot down.

12-02-2017 , 12:51 AM

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OmgGlutten!

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just wheeled in McCain to vote yes. hope he dies soon.

12-02-2017 , 12:59 AM

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again, raising the deficit is not inherently a terrible thing, but raising the deficit for the benefit of the donor class is more icing on the cake. also gop hypocrisy, but i repeat myself.

12-02-2017 , 01:01 AM

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again, raising the deficit is not inherently a terrible thing, but raising the deficit for the benefit of the donor class is more icing on the cake. also gop hypocrisy, but i repeat myself.

Right, complaining about deficits just leads the GOP to cut spending to reduce the deficit and say that even the Democrats agree that reducing it is good.

12-02-2017 , 01:04 AM

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SirOsis

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I'm simply done with anyone and everyone who supports what the Rs are doing right now. This is a disgrace. You still support your #MAGA group? I'm done with you, completely.

12-02-2017 , 02:18 AM

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chuckleslovakian

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Here comes Jeff Merkley calling out the Hillsdale college exemption. Pat Toomey is naturally defending it. In before 48-52 against.

Once again **** YOU GOP

12-02-2017 , 02:22 AM

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Loki

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This is all rivermans fault

12-02-2017 , 02:29 AM

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This is all rivermans fault

Didn't think I would be more pissed at him than announcing he was betting UK in the 2014 title game, but here we are.

12-02-2017 , 02:35 AM

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Here comes Jeff Merkley calling out the Hillsdale college exemption. Pat Toomey is naturally defending it. In before 48-52 against.

Once again **** YOU GOP

52-48 for?

Well at least some small victory

12-02-2017 , 02:37 AM

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How does someone like that get elected Senator. He reminded me of Funkhouser from Curb.

12-02-2017 , 02:39 AM

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Just checked predictit prices for this bs. Frightening.

12-02-2017 , 02:41 AM

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Sick 2 minute debate.

12-02-2017 , 02:41 AM

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Just checked predictit prices for this bs. Frightening.

Ever since the can you give us until Monday to read this **** vote failed this was inevitable.

12-02-2017 , 02:43 AM

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chuckleslovakian

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There are no words for how much I despise Mitch McConnell

12-02-2017 , 02:44 AM

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Lol they just called Mr Putin’s name on the floor to vote as a joke they all guffawed and sipped brandy.

12-02-2017 , 02:46 AM

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David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

It's not. There's been a consistent push to invert the values in the Republican Party. You here a bit of it when they talk about needing reward the most productive people in society. Instead of centering on the hard work and sacrifice of the average person or focusing on how the poorest are treated, the entrepreneur and the wealthy are the center of the moral economy because they are the most productive and therefor the most important people in society. You see with Tyler Cowen posts about how the most moral time was the Gilded Age when there was no safety net and lots of immigration because the sanctity of private property and the Lochner primacy of private contacts or posts how focusing on growth should be the only goal of the US government and implicitly getting rid of non growth things like caring for the poor and old, etc.

You see it in so many Republicans lauding Ayn Rand as a moralist. Her primary morality being that great men are held back by bureaucrats, rules and laws, and wealth and selfishness are intrinsic goods.

You see it in Hayek saying that in order to progress we need independently and generational wealth so that the landed elite can invent and experiment without the need to work.

Of course we see it as inflicting misery on the weak and old but they see it as moving wealth from less productive sectors of the economy to more productive sectors and therefor increasing growth which ultimately gives more overall wealth and therefor is the most moral thing they can do.

If you were to ask Paul Ryan if he thought that axing Social Security and cutting taxes for the rich by the equal amount was one of the most moral things he could do and you swore that you'd never tell a soul, he'd probably say yes and not have any reservations.

But if that is the more accurate analysis it means that those who have the more simplistic opinion will not be devising the optimum counter strategy.