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2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right? 2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right?

12-01-2017 , 09:23 PM
Best joke of the night

12-01-2017 , 09:40 PM
Amazing


12-01-2017 , 10:33 PM
subscribing.

gonna need a hail mary.

what's the scorecard folks?

no
Corker

yes
Collins
McCain
Daines
Flake?
Johnson?

no public firm yes yet
???
12-01-2017 , 10:35 PM
LOL apparently they added in an exemption to Hillsdale college (they advertise on Rush Limbaugh) to the tax code. Republicans really are the worst.
12-01-2017 , 10:41 PM
12-01-2017 , 10:41 PM
we need a new word for shameless

these mother****ers are unbelievable
12-01-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
It’s crazy that this could be true...
12-01-2017 , 10:46 PM


drain the swamp
12-01-2017 , 10:50 PM
All old white people. Every single one.
12-01-2017 , 10:52 PM
Weird the process would be so bad in such a transparent era with social media and everything.

I know this particular bills process is especially bad but when you see how the sausage is made, it is definitely pretty jarring.
12-01-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
This is a joke, right? It's literally impossible to tell at this point.
12-01-2017 , 10:53 PM
fookin Trump and co cheated to win the election and this is our gift from them thanks y’all.
12-01-2017 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
This is a joke, right? It's literally impossible to tell at this point.
Lol u serious? I made that.
12-01-2017 , 10:58 PM
they are gaslighting the entire country and getting away with it
12-01-2017 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I can’t fathom having billions of dollars—more money than nearly anyone in the history of civilization had been able to accumulate, enough money that my family would not have to work for several generations, at least—and, yet my primary concern is to force politicians to slash the safety net for millions of people, **** over people who pursue higher education, undermine important institutions, strip health insurance from millions of people do whatever it takes just to accumulate a little more money, relatatively speaking. What sad, despicable humans.The donors pushing this stuff need to be punished.
It is hard to believe that this description is all there is to it. Especially the "just to accumulate a little more money" part.
12-01-2017 , 11:02 PM
I'm sitting here on a Friday night watching C-SPAN with my wife and mil. What a time to be alive.
12-01-2017 , 11:03 PM
A good lesson is that no one cares about how the Republicans are doing it. There's no one saying "I'd support this bill if only they'd deliberate a bit more". Kind of makes the Democratic "18 months to pass healthcare" look like silly over training. Ignore the Byrd rule, get rid of the filibuster, then take a month each for big pieces of legislation. We could have had so much more than Obamacare
12-01-2017 , 11:06 PM
Welp, this **** is passing tonight. **** you GOP
12-01-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


There's one exemption from taxing a university's endowment.
So republicans are basically playing with their cards face up and assuming that their supporters will still call with one pair against their full house?

Maybe I’m being too optimistic but could this be the beginning of the end of the party? (I mean who cares about political parties with no country left)
12-01-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
LOL apparently they added in an exemption to Hillsdale college (they advertise on Rush Limbaugh) to the tax code. Republicans really are the worst.
Prince went there, Devos donates a lot of money there. It's blatant corruption but they know their followers don't give a single ****.

That said, there's also a report there (sorry I'm not re finding that link) that Hillsdale falls just short of actually qualifying for that out there but they're clearly who it's intended for. (boy would that be a lol them if they don't actually qualify for it)
12-01-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Weird the process would be so bad in such a transparent era with social media and everything.

I know this particular bills process is especially bad but when you see how the sausage is made, it is definitely pretty jarring.



Tweet is not precisely correct, but from the 2nd paragraph of the linked article:

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There are just under 11,000 active lobbyists in the nation's capital, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP), and more than half of them — 6,243 — have reported working on taxes this year, according to the report, which relies on CRP data.
12-01-2017 , 11:16 PM
jfc this is a special interest bonanza
12-01-2017 , 11:17 PM
Only live stream I found on YouTube was some right wing news site. The chat was amazing to behold. These people only excited to pass something libruls hate. They don’t care about or think about anything else. Just "yay my team did a thing, ergo it must be good"
12-01-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
It is hard to believe that this description is all there is to it. Especially the "just to accumulate a little more money" part.
It's not. There's been a consistent push to invert the values in the Republican Party. You here a bit of it when they talk about needing reward the most productive people in society. Instead of centering on the hard work and sacrifice of the average person or focusing on how the poorest are treated, the entrepreneur and the wealthy are the center of the moral economy because they are the most productive and therefor the most important people in society. You see with Tyler Cowen posts about how the most moral time was the Gilded Age when there was no safety net and lots of immigration because the sanctity of private property and the Lochner primacy of private contacts or posts how focusing on growth should be the only goal of the US government and implicitly getting rid of non growth things like caring for the poor and old, etc.

You see it in so many Republicans lauding Ayn Rand as a moralist. Her primary morality being that great men are held back by bureaucrats, rules and laws, and wealth and selfishness are intrinsic goods.

You see it in Hayek saying that in order to progress we need independently and generational wealth so that the landed elite can invent and experiment without the need to work.

Of course we see it as inflicting misery on the weak and old but they see it as moving wealth from less productive sectors of the economy to more productive sectors and therefor increasing growth which ultimately gives more overall wealth and therefor is the most moral thing they can do.

If you were to ask Paul Ryan if he thought that axing Social Security and cutting taxes for the rich by the equal amount was one of the most moral things he could do and you swore that you'd never tell a soul, he'd probably say yes and not have any reservations.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 12-01-2017 at 11:27 PM.
12-01-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
jfc this is a special interest bonanza
time for the house freedom caucus to stand up to the special interests. that's the best we can hope for right now.

      
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