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Old 02-15-2018, 10:02 PM   #1
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Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

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Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to have received food stamps at some point in their lives—a participation gap that echoes the deep partisan divide in the U.S. House of Representatives, which on Thursday produced a farm bill that did not include funding for the food stamp program.

Overall, a Pew Research Center survey conducted late last year found that about one-in-five Americans (18%) has participated in the food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. About a quarter (26%) lives in a household with a current or former food stamp recipient.

Of these, about one-in-five (22%) of Democrats say they had received food stamps compared with 10% of Republicans. About 17% of political independents say they have received food stamps.

The share of food stamp beneficiaries swells even further when respondents are asked if someone else living in their household had ever received food stamps. According to the survey, about three in ten Democrats (31%) and about half as many Republicans (17%) say they or someone in their household has benefitted from the food stamp program.

But when the political lens shifts from partisanship to ideology, the participation gap vanishes. Self-described political conservatives were no more likely than liberals or moderates to have received food stamps (17% for each group), according to the survey.

Beyond politics, equally large or larger gaps emerge in the participation rates of many core social and demographic groups. For example, women were about twice as likely as men (23% vs. 12%) to have received food stamps at some point in their lives. Blacks are about twice as likely as whites to have used this benefit during their lives (31% vs. 15%). Among Hispanics, about 22% say they have collected food stamps.

Minority women in particular are far more likely than their male counterparts to have used food stamps. About four-in-ten black women (39%) have gotten help compared with 21% of black men. The gender-race participation gap is also wide among Hispanics: 31% of Hispanic women but 14% of Hispanic men received assistance.

Among whites, the gender-race gap is smaller. Still, white women are about twice as likely as white men to receive food stamp assistance (19% vs. 11%).

This article seems interesting also
http://tino.us/2012/02/are-welfare-r...ly-republican/

Hardly surprising, we see that in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.

It appears that once more common sense is right and the impression left by the New York Times wrong. Indeed, people who live off the government disproportionally support Democrats.

Given that Krugman is aware of the Gellman-Paradox, he should have reported the individual level data first instead of wasting everyone’s time with state-level aggregation that we already know is wrong. Instead he acknowledged that state level data is probably wrong (to get cover), then goes ahead and relies on the wrong method anyway, since it produces the results he wants. The false impression that Republicans use more welfare is already spread around the internet by liberals who still trust Krugman.

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:10 PM   #2
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:16 PM   #3
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

I'm willing to bet that a large number of republicans who have used government assistance lie about it. Probably don't even tell their friends.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:22 PM   #4
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

A friend’s RWNJ in laws preach about free loaders and the ills of big government yet three of their four children are on public assistance.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:25 PM   #5
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

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I'm willing to bet that a large number of republicans who have used government assistance lie about it. Probably don't even tell their friends.
Exactly what I thought.

Using government assistance is shameful in the minds of Republicans. Their neighbors find out and say, "Government benefits? Pick yourself up by your bootstraps!" Of course, the neighbor is saying that while simultaneously complaining about losing his SNAP card.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:27 PM   #6
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A friend’s RWNJ in laws preach about free loaders and the ills of big government yet three of their four children are on public assistance.
I knew someone like that too. When I called her out, she said she had contributed to the system for years so her daughter deserved to receive assistance.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:32 PM   #7
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I knew someone like that too. When I called her out, she said she had contributed to the system for years so her daughter deserved to receive assistance.
Are you guys aware that about 55% of the usa is now on at least one form of welfare?

Also the Repubs will lose forever in the future as the demographics of usa change into a nation that has lower iq averages and will depend on the successful.. the rich to support them.

If you study iq testing.. the iq average in usa has dropped considerably over the past 60 years or so. So this means that you will have a population depending on welfare as their is a huge connection between welfare use and poverty if u study the nations of the world that also have the lowest iq averages.

Also education cannot raise Iq.. IQ is over 80% genetic if u study it.
Which is why some areas in usa where teachers are making seventy grand a year on average yet the grades of the students are some of the lowest in the nation.

i think its an interesting point but one that many people have never studied or willing to discuss.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:33 PM   #8
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

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Most people on here are not practicing intellectual debate.
Indeed. People like you

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Indeed, people who live off the government disproportionally support Democrats.
The survey deals with people who, at some point in their lives, received food stamps. It says so right in the very first sentence

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Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to have received food stamps at some point in their lives
But you decided to bust out the intellectualism and turn people who got food stamps "at some point in their lives" into people "who live off the government."

I suspect that is probably why people here and basically anywhere else you go that isn't a RWNJ circle jerk forum aren't interested in "debating" you.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:35 PM   #9
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Also people whose posts demonstrate an IQ of a garden-variety inanimate object should probably steer clear of discussions regarding IQ...and probably would if they had higher IQs.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:36 PM   #10
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

You are the personification of Dunning-Kruger.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:38 PM   #11
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I'm willing to bet that a large number of republicans who have used government assistance lie about it. Probably don't even tell their friends.
Can u prove this point using some links or numbers ?
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Are you guys aware that about 55% of the usa is now on at least one form of welfare?

Also the Repubs will lose forever in the future as the demographics of usa change into a nation that has lower iq averages and will depend on the successful.. the rich to support them.

If you study iq testing.. the iq average in usa has dropped considerably over the past 60 years or so. So this means that you will have a population depending on welfare as their is a huge connection between welfare use and poverty if u study the nations of the world that also have the lowest iq averages.

Also education cannot raise Iq.. IQ is over 80% genetic if u study it.
Which is why some areas in usa where teachers are making seventy grand a year on average yet the grades of the students are some of the lowest in the nation.

i think its an interesting point but one that many people have never studied or willing to discuss.
**** off.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:38 PM   #13
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What’s wrong with being on food assistance?
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You are the personification of Dunning-Kruger.
lol, literally going to post this about this genius who doesn't know what "free speech" means.
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But when the political lens shifts from partisanship to ideology, the participation gap vanishes. Self-described political conservatives were no more likely than liberals or moderates to have received food stamps (17% for each group), according to the survey.
Let's completely ignore this bit
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:40 PM   #16
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

Just remember, in the republican mind, that assistance you get is not welfare, welfare is for moochers and the lazy blacks. Others get welfare, you just get a little help, no need to mention that to the nice pollster.

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Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to admit to having used welfare than Repubs
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What’s wrong with being on food assistance?
Well nothing unless u mind the Usa turning into a third world country and not a nice place to live and us being bankrupt.

and also if u like to see people work for a living not live off your tax dollars if u do work a job.
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Well nothing unless u mind the Usa turning into a third world country and not a nice place to live and us being bankrupt.

and also if u like to see people work for a living not live off your tax dollars if u do work a job.
Don't worry your taxes are pretty low when you flip burgers for a living.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:45 PM   #19
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Just remember, in the republican mind, that assistance you get is not welfare, welfare is for moochers and the lazy blacks. Others get welfare, you just get a little help, no need to mention that to the nice pollster.
Nobody made this point but yes if u study rates of welfare among race groups..
which are facts the Usa gov tries to hide from the public btw.

yes they are lopsided..

I bet u have never even studied welfare rates among race groups in usa right?

Also do the math on the numbers Per Capita.. which shows the truth.
Liberals say the overall numbers about this stuff because if they did the math Per Capita they would like like fools. So they try to hide the reality of this by never breaking down welfare among race groups per capita to show the reality of this.

So the truth is u dont even know the numbers right?

I have studied this subject and i know the numbers.

Asians have lowest welfare and crime rates among race groups.
East Asians in usa also have the highest rate of income in usa.
yet funny there is no talk about Asian privilege.


This is the case because liberals hide this fact because they dont want u to figure out that East Asians in Usa are a minority yet they are making the most money per capita in usa right now.

Also asians are highly penalized by Aff action.. An asian has to get a super high Sat score to get into college cuz they get high grades on average.
Av east asian iq is 105 if u study it etc.
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

Also don't mention that there are literally more Dems than Reps

Or just leave this thread because OP is much less intelligent than he thinks and this is a pointless exercise
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Re: Pew Research shows Democrats twice as likely to have used welfare than Repubs

Why don’t you provide some sources where you’re doing all this studying? Would be fun if we could learn for ourselves.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:49 PM   #22
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Let's completely ignore this bit
Yep, also ignored: "Despite conservatives’ opposition to many poverty programs, there is virtually no difference in the lifetime participation rate of conservatives (40%), liberals (42%) and moderates (42%) in these programs."
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Well nothing unless u mind the Usa turning into a third world country and not a nice place to live and us being bankrupt.

and also if u like to see people work for a living not live off your tax dollars if u do work a job.
Does it bother you that some people work one, two, sometimes three jobs and still don’t earn enough to live without using welfare? I would assume that this situation would bother you, that these companies are paying their workers so little because they, the employers, know their workers can get welfare.

Seems like in this case the tax payers are footing the bill for corporate greed, which we probably agree is bad, right?
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Also don't mention that there are literally more Dems than Reps

Or just leave this thread because OP is much less intelligent than he thinks and this is a pointless exercise
The pew research study did the numbers per capita so this fact does not matter that much as to the overall numbers.
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i agree that this is a major problem; republicans lying to pollsters about being on welfare.

In One Alabama County, Nearly 1 In 4 Working-Age Adults Is On Disability
The person who really drove this home for me was Ethel Thomas. I had been meeting person after person with back and shoulder pain, and I kept finding myself asking, well, what about a job where you don't have to lift people, or a job where you don't have to use your shoulder, or just simply: have you thought about other jobs that you could do.

People gave me such bewildered looks. It was as if I was asking, well, how come you didn't consider becoming an astronaut? So by the time I was sitting with Ethel Thomas - she's on disability for back pain - I tried to ask the question in a different way.

In your dream world, if you could have a different job that you could do with your back, what would that be?

You're shaking your head.

THOMAS: Mm-hmm. I just - I hadn't really thought about it.

JOFFE-WALT: Ethel and I talked for another long while about the town, her church. A good 45 minutes passed and I was getting ready to leave, and Ethel stopped me.

THOMAS: You asked me a while back what would be the perfect job.

JOFFE-WALT: Yeah.

THOMAS: I thought about it and I said that the perfect job would be like I would sit at a desk like the Social Security people and just weed out all the ones that come in and file for disability.

JOFFE-WALT: Wait. So what's your perfect job?

THOMAS: I can sit and weed out all the ones that don't need it.
this woman is on welfare professionally, she has no ambition of ever getting off it, but imagines the one job she would accept if someone offered it to her would be denying people who want the same benefit that's keeping her alive, but who don't deserve it to her satisfaction. this is where rural americans are at, mentally. this poll is not accurate as you described. the study found democrats are twice as likely tell a pollster they blablabla. to find out the truth you'd have to actually look through government records, and i doubt we'll see that until the strongAI appears
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