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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN

View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be

Hillary

332 46.63%

TRUMP

190 26.69%

In to watch it burn

161 22.61%

Bastard

73 10.25%

im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions

57 8.01%

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08-23-2016 , 07:54 AM

#17901

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

I can't say I am surprised that you have not read a newspaper in the last year that makes the same arguments.

There's a world of difference between the Clinton Foundation is a diabolical power hungry charity organization hell bent on whatever it is that conservatives believe, and the argument that the Clintons should separate themselves from the foundation while she is President.

08-23-2016 , 07:59 AM

#17902

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 37,779

By the time I started following 2p2 politics, they had mostly stopped referencing mises.org.

08-23-2016 , 08:15 AM

#17903

SqredII

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,306

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Odds Lewandowski is the guy that gets drunk and starts randomly swinging at people? Like -3500?

I've written it in this thread before. Every guy I have ever seen cold cocked in a bar had that same douche bag look on his face that Corey seems to have all the time.

08-23-2016 , 08:18 AM

#17904

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Quote:

Originally Posted by vixticator

Obviously the actual President can't have a side gig on weekends.

But let's dip into the ole' double standards check again:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ice-from-white

Trump has used his companies as soft extensions of the campaign and has never even (to my knowledge) had the blind trust/conflict of interests discussion regarding his business interests.

08-23-2016 , 08:20 AM

#17905

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Alex Seitz-WaldVerified account
‏@aseitzwald
Hillary Clinton will use a speech in Reno Thursday to go after Trump and his ties to the "alt-right," per aide.

Trump's response is probably going to involve retweeing a Pepe meme, so here. we. go.

08-23-2016 , 08:23 AM

#17906

Zimmer4141

Wet

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 33,692

Hillary +16 in new poll released today in "Swing State" Virginia

08-23-2016 , 08:31 AM

#17907

Nicholasp27

27th level thinker

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 84,498

The global warming thing is so infuriating

Like how can you sit there with a straight face and claim it's not true when it's clear the only reason the Republican Party claims it is fake is because it costs money to lessen our impact on the environment?

I mean at least be honest and say "global warming is real, but I care more about the profits of some megacorp than the state of the earth for my grandkids because something something trickle down economics"

08-23-2016 , 08:32 AM

#17908

SqredII

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,306

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

I agree. I think Hillary will be as liberal as congress allows her to be, and I expect the republicans to cry bloody murder and filibuster every proposal just like they did to Obama. "hillary is going to pull the plug on your grandma etc"

I absolutely think the mass incarceration of the underclass is our biggest issue going forward, and really hope she can help. The only problem is that they are usually caught up in State level court systems that are largely out of the control of the Federal Government.

As far as her being a progressive champion working within the system as best she can, I don't really think that's true. She's a moderate with a soft spot for kids and the sick. That's fine, but if you are looking for fundamental change to American society or Foreign Policy you are probably going to be dissapointed.

08-23-2016 , 08:43 AM

#17909

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by adanthar

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...il-war-646602/

this is the best thread in 2+2 history except for all the AP/UB ones

That thread is legitimately some of the greatest works of my life, it was one of the only times where I understood what it's like to be an elite athlete in the zone. Although, instead of making it rain against the greatest defenders in the world, I was literally shooting fish in a barrel. I'll take it.

08-23-2016 , 08:50 AM

#17910

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,844

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

The automation age denial should be infuriating people. Even now we can see the shortish term prospect of all the driving jobs going people refuse to see what is happening. They still cling desperately to the idea that technology creates human labour value faster than it eliminates it - once true but now we have a new factor at least as big as agriculture.

We need to start seriously tackling wealth distribution and abandoning the link between labour and wealth/status or we're heading towards a political and human catastophie

08-23-2016 , 08:51 AM

#17911

sweep single

banned

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2,558

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

Yea, because the world being uninhabitable in 75 years isn't a theory, it's a certainty.

08-23-2016 , 08:58 AM

#17912

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

By the time I started following 2p2 politics, they had mostly stopped referencing mises.org.

yeah, you definitely missed the peak then.

it's unfortunate that it took the rest of us until the Civil War thread to really check them out for good. Mises.com and Lew Rockwell's various sites were routinely used in the forum. Connecting all of them to alt right white supremacist organizations was actually really easy. Some 2p2 ACists, such as Montanis, HomerNoonJunior, sightless died on this hill. Others were caught in a rather awkward position and essentially abandoned the movement entirely. Some of them had legitimate mental breakdowns, And some of them I assume are good people.

08-23-2016 , 08:59 AM

#17913

Riverman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 73,135

loooool that thread

Straight up eugenics within 10 posts

08-23-2016 , 09:01 AM

#17914

Nicholasp27

27th level thinker

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 84,498

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweep single

Yea, because the world being uninhabitable in 75 years isn't a theory, it's a certainty.

Where did I say uninhabitable in 75 years?

08-23-2016 , 09:02 AM

#17915

Zimmer4141

Wet

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 33,692

I wasn't around in Politics on 2p2 back in those days.

Don't have time to read through 3700 posts, but if someone wants to dig through and provide a highlight reel it'd be appreciated.

08-23-2016 , 09:08 AM

#17916

Nicholasp27

27th level thinker

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 84,498

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Yes, with automation there will just be less jobs, especially lower skilled ones, in the future and we need to adjust how we do things at some point...even a lot of high knowledge jobs that really break down into some complex logic chain can and will be partly or mostly automated

But, of course we won't; we will wait until it gets too bad to ignore and then do some suboptimal solution...probably it'll be when automation affects the knowledge workers making decent money that we will even start to do something

08-23-2016 , 09:13 AM

#17917

daca

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,507

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

Hillary +16 in new poll released today in "Swing State" Virginia

so virginia, pennsylvania, colorado, new hampshire and it's gg? and those are all places that clinton is 10 up?

08-23-2016 , 09:35 AM

#17918

13ball

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Bahrain’s Prince Got Audience With Clinton After Donating $32 Million To Her Foundation

This is a huge, huge deal. Imagine, a man in line to become the head of state of Bahrain got a meeting with the secretary of state!

08-23-2016 , 09:37 AM

#17919

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

I wasn't around in Politics on 2p2 back in those days.

Don't have time to read through 3700 posts, but if someone wants to dig through and provide a highlight reel it'd be appreciated.

you can probably skip to page 10 or so, but I recommend reading all of it sometime. 2p2 politics used to be predominantly AC and alt right types. we liberals chased almost all of them away, or managed to argue them into capitulation to the point where many of them literally became Bernie supporters started lecturing us, lol. I'm totally serious. And, it all came to a head in that thread; the Civil War of 2+2, if you will. I promise you that the Trump supporters aren't half as bad as those clowns were.

08-23-2016 , 09:43 AM

#17920

13ball

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,912

Notice how the right wing has to weave lies into the narrative:

Quote:

Band and Abedin’s email exchanges show that Bahrain’s Crown Prince Salman had to go through the Clinton Foundation in order to set up a meeting with Clinton after the former Secretary of State declined to meet after official requests were made.

The emails contradict this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huma Abedin, admitted Muslim

He asked to see hrc thurs and fri thru normal channels. I asked and she said she doesn’t want to commit to anything for thurs or fri until she knows how she will feel. Also she says that she may want to go to ny and doesn’t want to be committed to stuff in ny…

08-23-2016 , 09:44 AM

#17921

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,198

AORN one of the most respected polling aggregators is calling this election a coin flip

Spoiler:

08-23-2016 , 09:45 AM

#17922

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,844

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

I retain some hope. Ideas like a basic income are slowly emerging and liberal socialism is gaining some ground. First we have to stop denying it's happening and the impact is already starting to hit.

The change is going to be rocky so all we can do is try to smooth the path and try hard to avoid epic disasters along the way. Unlike climate change it's fundamentally a good thing to be able to create wealth so much more easily.