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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

10-29-2016 , 09:44 PM
I hope someone would make a good hitler subtitles video as he tears kellyanne ailes ivanka jr a new one after hearing about a landslide. Whatever happens in the actual election, I will always have that video to watch forever on a loop.
10-29-2016 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC
Too many of them genuinely think that way though and if this election cycle has shown anything it's that they're too dangerous to be ignored
Anyone semi intelligent sees the people trump has hired to run his campaign and is scared of the possibility of Corey Lewandowski, Steve Bannon and others having high level jobs in the government. He has filled his inner circle with plain alt right morons with no history of governing. How could these people adequately run a country? They have run the worst campaign in history. There is no organization, they didn't even get an office open in every state.

I'm on team it's already over, but it would ruin the world economy. Without a doubt in my mind.
10-29-2016 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Early voting does look good for him in Wisconsin but not good enough to overcome 7 points. That may change when we see the post Comey votes though.
10-29-2016 , 09:56 PM
Turns out the Trump pivot after the primary was actually tried, but Trump was too undisciplined to go for any amount of time without the attention on him.

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he [Manafort] suggested a strategy that was the exact opposite of the one Trump pursued in the primaries. He wanted Trump to lower his profile, which would force the media to focus on *Clinton — a flawed opponent with historic unfavorable ratings who couldn’t erase the stain of scandal, real or invented. “The best thing we can do is to have you move into a cave for the next four months,” Manafort told Trump during a meeting. “If you’re not on the campaign trail, the focus is on her, and we win. Whoever the focus is on will lose.”
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As is typical with most campaigns, Manafort wanted the Trump team to perform opposition research on its own candidate, so that the team would know what to be worried about and how to prepare for it. Manafort had known Trump since the ’80s and had heard rumors about his behavior with women, according to a source. He wanted to know what was out there. But Trump — perhaps believing that the Clinton campaign would never bring up women for fear of the specter of Bill’s past, or perhaps believing that it wouldn’t matter if they did (the “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” hubris) — declined.
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In late April, Manafort assured RNC members that Trump would pivot to a more presidential “persona.” And for a while, it worked. Trump began using a teleprompter, cut back his TV appearances, and (mostly) avoided courting scandal. His poll numbers climbed, until he was tied with Clinton.

But asking Trump to not be the center of attention is like asking him not to breathe. “His ego couldn’t handle it,” said one Republican close to the campaign. “

Apparently hyping up the paranoia and crazy talk is Bannon's, the Breitbart guy, idea.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...inal-days.html
10-29-2016 , 10:01 PM
Seeing as how the base of the Republican Party - white males, seem to refuse to assimilate; isn't it fair to conclude that in the next 20 years, the only possible alternative to a civil war would be a scenario where special interests takes the U.S. into a suicidal war vs Russia?

I mean...if glowing world economy predictions with promises of great returns in the stock market haven't worked, what will? It's not like these savage, racist, misogynistic Drumpkins are docile folk either.
10-29-2016 , 10:06 PM
theyre also mostly spineless cowards with no guts for a civil war.
10-29-2016 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
God that link is so unreadably formatted and argued that it took me a while to figure out what the argument is in Nevada. It boils down to this; here's a side by side comparison of 2012 and 2016 first week early voting. These numbers are for party registration, so we don't know what people voted, it has to be inferred.

2012:

 MailEarlyTotal%
Dem2295613928116223745.3%
GOP2349111009413358537.3%
Ind8613536106222317.4%

2016:

 MailEarlyTotal%
Dem1592513107614700144.4%
GOP1786410193511979936.2%
Ind8074559986407219.4%

This shows essentially no change from 2012. Both parties have lost registered voters and turnout is lower across the board, but the numbers are similar.

So he then unskews these affiliations into actual votes, using a poll crosstab showing how many Ds are voting R and vice versa, as well as which way independents are breaking. Unfortunately he uses Axiom, which is a GOP push polling outfit that is not included in RCP or 538 averages. Here's my own unskewing effort of the 2016 numbers using a recent Emerson poll that had Clinton +2, which is roughly the RCP average. (Bonus weirdness: in Emerson's sample there were 0% of Dems either unsure or voting Stein, but 0.2% of registered Republicans were voting Stein).

 Reg DemReg GOPIndTotal%
Total14700111979964072330872100.0%
Vote Dem117748136572037515178045.9%
Vote GOP22197908082793514094042.6%
Other705665890136454.1%
Undecided0874515762245077.4%

So a reasonably comfortable lead for Clinton, assuming the undecideds are not breaking very heavily for Trump. Note that this is a pretty generous way to do things, I could have simply noted that party affiliation turnouts are similar to 2012 and that Obama won by nearly 7 points in 2012. The analysis above tries to account for the fact that maybe more Dems/Inds are voting GOP than Reps/Inds are voting Dems, when compared to 2012. The discrepancy between polling numbers and the substantially higher early voting lead indicates this might be the case, but it could also simply be that the Dem GOTV operation is superior.

I hope you enjoyed this edition of Math You Do As A Liberal To Find Out The Actual Answers To Things.

Edit: Just checked the crosstabs of another poll (Marist) and it's broadly similar to Emerson, a bit more pro-Dem. Independents break for Trump and more Dems vote GOP than GOPers vote Dem in both crosstabs, but it's not enough to overcome the discrepancy in affiliations among voters.

Last edited by ChrisV; 10-29-2016 at 10:19 PM.
10-29-2016 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
theyre also mostly spineless cowards with no guts for a civil war.
Maybe guerilla tactics?

That psycho hanging dudes [for Halloween] on his front lawn wasn't exactly a mouse.
10-29-2016 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Herbavorus_Rex
Seeing as how the base of the Republican Party - white males, seem to refuse to assimilate; isn't it fair to conclude that in the next 20 years, the only possible alternative to a civil war would be a scenario where special interests takes the U.S. into a suicidal war vs Russia?

I mean...if glowing world economy predictions with promises of great returns in the stock market haven't worked, what will? It's not like these savage, racist, misogynistic Drumpkins are docile folk either.
Madison agrees with you but I don't. I think they are assimilating but at a slower rate. Basically Mexicans and Muslims are like the Polish, Jewish , and Eastern Europeans in the 1930's. It just takes time.
10-29-2016 , 10:15 PM
The Justice Department has not granted approval for FBI agents to examine the materials, so FBI officials have no idea whether the emails contain sensitive or incriminating information or anything investigators have seen before.

“We do not have a warrant,” a senior law enforcement official told Isikoff. “Discussions are under way [between the FBI and the Justice Department] as to the best way to move forward.”





Lol if accurate
10-29-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Trump isn't and has never been to my knowledge a public servant and hence, to the extent that disclosure of his tax returns isn't required as part of his candidacy whether by law or as part of the Republican Party's requirements, those records are ordinarily captured as his own personal affairs and are not to be disclosed.

However, Clinton having been in the role of secretary of state does not have that same entitlement to a veil being placed over the top of her records (i.e. emails) as they comprise her communications as part of the role and should be disclosed (or at the very least where sensitive that their existence acknowledged) as if they had been sent via her public server (which I don't understand why she wouldn't use this given the securities that would be placed around it and again the various exemptions that would deny their release to the public anyway if sought).

And yes if Trump's tax returns are not releasable then I agree that Clinton's medical records aren't either but again to the extent that they aren't required as part of the vetting process for the Democratic Party presidential nomination or as required by law.
This is great and all but is missing the main point. The FBI is revealing details of its *investigation* and not just the standard things related to HRCs position of Secretary of State. That's not something it does in other circumstances, right?
10-29-2016 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
The Justice Department has not granted approval for FBI agents to examine the materials, so FBI officials have no idea whether the emails contain sensitive or incriminating information or anything investigators have seen before.

“We do not have a warrant,” a senior law enforcement official told Isikoff. “Discussions are under way [between the FBI and the Justice Department] as to the best way to move forward.”

Lol if accurate
It's accurate. This is from Comey's letter to the FBI explaining his actions (emphasis mine):

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Yesterday, the investigative team briefed me on their recommendation with respect to seeking access to emails that have recently been found in an unrelated case. Because those emails appear to be pertinent to our investigation, I agreed that we should take appropriate steps to obtain and review them.
10-29-2016 , 10:24 PM
Steve comey woke up one day and said screw it , MAGA!!
10-29-2016 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Herbavorus_Rex
Maybe guerilla tactics?

That psycho hanging dudes [for Halloween] on his front lawn wasn't exactly a mouse.
You think he fires away if the police knock?

I don't. I think he thinks he will.
10-29-2016 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
You think he fires away if the police knock?

I don't. I think he thinks he will.
I don't think he will
10-29-2016 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
You think he fires away if the police knock?

I don't. I think he thinks he will.
I think that photo has to be a meme. There's no way his house isn't going to get vandalized, and there's no way he isn't aware of that.
10-29-2016 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Speaking of maybe saving a bit in taxes.


Miami? Pfft these guys are great.
10-29-2016 , 10:35 PM


10-29-2016 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Herbavorus_Rex
I think that photo has to be a meme. There's no way his house isn't going to get vandalized, and there's no way he isn't aware of that.
Possibly. And, of course, you see: the left hates my free speech wahhh. Not *blasts shotguns at vandals*. Sure, dude could be Zimmerman. More likely he's not. Because: mass violence isn't happening right now. Give them a leader, and the go signal? Absolutely. Then the mass violence.
10-29-2016 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
65k on average as a independent contractor. I'm a young male who odds are won't need the insurance for at least five years.
This depends on what contract work you do, but if a recession hits, people lose their expendable income, your business goes down. You make less money.
10-29-2016 , 10:41 PM
Surely this must have been discussed in the thread before, but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone floated the idea that if Hillary wins, she'll serve her four years, and then bow out? Like unless she is awesome, soaring approval ratings, it seems like she will be facing a lot of pressure from the Dems to do just that.
10-29-2016 , 10:41 PM
Really is incredible that Clinton's campaign IT team OKd a completely obvious phishing email. I guess she hires just the best people as well.
10-29-2016 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Surely this must have been discussed in the thread before, but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone floated the idea that if Hillary wins, she'll serve her four years, and then bow out? Like unless she is awesome, soaring approval ratings, it seems like she will be facing a lot of pressure from the Dems to do just that.
Yeah, this is kind of my hope. Her health is going to suffer, with the stress of the job how could it not? And even if she does ah-mazing things, people are going to be wishing she fails. I would love for her to find some great politicians who'd have a good chance of winning in 2020.
10-29-2016 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Surely this must have been discussed in the thread before, but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone floated the idea that if Hillary wins, she'll serve her four years, and then bow out? Like unless she is awesome, soaring approval ratings, it seems like she will be facing a lot of pressure from the Dems to do just that.
Bow to who? Someone, as in a candidate, has to primary her. No, she will not step aside. I mean, could she? Sure, it happens. Rarely. It isn't likely, at all.
10-29-2016 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Really is incredible that Clinton's campaign IT team OKd a completely obvious phishing email. I guess she hires just the best people as well.
Well didn't they say he should use the real google link to change the password and enable 2-factor authentication? So like they got it half wrong?

      
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