So are the millions of non white people who voted for Trump racist, or just the white people? Also, are the millions of women who voted for Trump misogynists?

I think this is where the whole "Trump voters are racist" argument really runs into trouble.

The authors (to the two articles I posted) aren't calling Trump voters racists. But they are holding these voters accountable for Trump's racist administration and the effects it will have on a segment of Americans.

I think the lefts biggest problem is that they are forced to cater to a bunch of groups who are not really progressive at all, and are bigoted against eachother.

Generalizing:

-Hispanics are very bigoted against other Hispanics. They also tend to run conservative on many social issues, with the big one being anti-abortion.

-Blacks generally are very anti-gay. A few years ago in California there was an anti-gay marriage proposition that passed and although the liberal media did its best to suppress knowledge of this fact, blacks were the strongest proponents of the measure.

-Socially Muslims are more right than Republicans. They dont really have a choice. They either believe or have to pretend to believe that a book written thousands of years ago is the literal word of God.

-So to sum it up the lefts biggest problem is that many of the people it needs to win elections are not liberal at all. Basically, for good or bad (I think bad) the populace itself isnt very liberal. And this includes all races, creeds and sexes.

This is because we are all humans, and humans are by nature racist, bigoted, xenophobic, etc. so it is always going to be an uphill battle to force people to act against their natural inclinations. And being liberal is pretty much a luxury that only relatively wealthy and educated people have.

Sigh

The 1.9M includes immigrants here legally

So now we are saying anyone who comes here, even legally, if they commit any crime then they are deported

That's a much different stance than saying we will get rid of illegal immigrants

So what's the plan?

Deport illegals and then give those jobs to Americans but pay them more and then our prices go up so we all pay more, and those making the "American wage" can't afford **** anyway

Oh yeah, and American businesses suffer because foreign products are now much cheaper than American made


So then we add tariffs to imports to level the playing field!

Great, now we are all paying even more for everything

And not only are the people with those grape picking jobs not able to afford **** but people who before could afford a decent living working in retail or service industries or others where they could make a little more than min wage are now not able to afford **** because of the increased prices

Sounds great!

QB in politards now too?

american muslims seem to be to the left of republicans on social issues when you look at polling.

anyway, it seems like an advantage that the opinions of your party more reflects the electorate. it didnt work out great this time because the establishment candidate turned out to be not great at politics, but in generel it's good to have a defense against the wingnuts. it's certainly something the republicans could have used.

The problem with using identity politics is it becomes a purity test and the Democratic coalition is a coalition of diverse groups united in gaining power as are all political parties. In any case, all political parties have to deal with a diverse set of interests. There are Republicans right now who are much more socially liberal than a ton of Democrats. They're out there doing drugs, having orgies, have gay, Muslim, etc friends. But their primary interest is lowing the top marginal rate and based on that they pick the Republican Party. Those Republicans have the same loathing as many Republicans imagine liberals have towards social conservatives, but they either don't express that loathing or are indifferent.

Coalitions also work by interweaving people's ideologies. For instance, let's take your Muslim comment. Muslims have to religiously conservative. That's true to a point, but because Muslims have had to ally with the LGBT community in order to have enough political power to withstand Republican anti Muslim bigotry it turns out

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/13/in...e-likely-to-su

Greater exposure to gays and working with the LGBT communities has made American Muslims more tolerant of homosexuality than American Evangelicals.

Why didn't Clinton explain it like this in the debates? It might have got a lot more white voters on her side.

But she was an idiot and instead just attacked Trump on his comments about women and minorities, thinking that would somehow win her the election.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...-perfect-enemy

OK, I'm sympathetic to the notion that the number of active threads IS TOO DAMN HIGH. Locking this one so we can proceed to the transition thread.