Doesn't that fluctuate a lot naturally with the age of the population, though? i.e. baby boomers retire, labor participation rate plummets?

Not looking up the stats, but there are a LOT of cows in California. It used to be that there was the one big feed lot (or w/e) off I5 about 2/3 the way up to SF, but now they are all over the Central Valley.

This is my first time attempting to comment on this, so I may be off, but seems like labor force participation rate is kinda lame because it totally ignores households where only one person works by choice. Times when a lot of people stay out of the workforce because they can might be better than when the labor force participation rate is higher.

My Grandfather ran the Dairymen's Association in the Central Valley in the 70's and 80's, I can vouch for the fact that there have always been lots of cows in the state, currently ~5M head which is 4th most in the US.

I can vouch for the fact that driving by Coalinga on I-5 still smells as ****ing terrible as it ever has

This, please. I don't ignore anyone except Shuffle. No one. He really is that special of a snowflake. I'd trade our one Shuffle for literally 12 Ins0s.

At some point, the weird unemployment truthers will have to square the circle of everyone needs to be working and automation makes it so that very few people need to work.

I usually do just scroll by most of his **** posting but then occasionally I'll read and be like wtf and then see it's him. Adding him to ignore right now. I disagree with the Ins0 part though, as I think he is slightly worse than Shuffle and never seems to know what he's talking about nor is ever humbled when he gets owned for talking out of his ass; adding him now as well.

Do you know what the Baby Boom was?

Also mods could we close this thread? There are wayyy too many Trump Presidency related threads right now and I really just wanna have one central thread to follow wrt Trumps' Presidency. Some of the posts here fall into either general Trump Presidency type thread (i.e. Bannon appointment & Bolton rumors) and others fall into the "Death of Dem Party" thread (i.e. how to revive as a party that still appeals to white working class America, or whatever)

Election is over. Let's move discussion to those threads pls

This thread shouldn't be closed. It quite possibly live documented the fall of Western Civilization. It should remain open.

Right, but it's not like after the US Constitution was codified, there was some kind of principled opposition among the elites in New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, etc, to put financial sanctions on the slave powers. They used those same profits to erect their institutions. Like, yeah, sure, they wanted it to just go away. I'm not giving them any credit for this position. Let's call it, I don't know, slightly less deplorable.

Edit: before Bostonians start throwing vegetables, I didn't mean to put y'all in with the New Yorkers. Even less deplorable (once upon a time!).

I kinda agree with Lilu, dunno if this thread specifically should be closed but the number of Trump threads is Too Damn High.

Is it harder to get an ID than to go through with the actual act of voting? If voting is no harder or easier than getting an ID the argument against voter ID's pretty much goes out the window imho.

You are discounting the hyper bustos who can't afford IDs. I mean, this is a pretty common argument. Not sure how you don't know this already

Don't think that's it. At least that might only be a small part of it.

Why would labor participation be so low during the 70s?

It's harder to get an ID by a comfortable margin. Did you read any of the posts itt on the subject? Also, there's a much bigger thread detailing all of it. We both know you don't actually care. So, just skip to the part where you say that. Thanks.

In Wisconsin anyone can get a free ID, I'm not sure what the rules in other states are but I assumed free ID's are provided to people who cannot afford them in every state, of course if you are hyper busto you might not be able to afford to get to the DMV to get a free id anyways, which is probably the bigger problem (but how many who cannot afford to get a free id can afford to get to the polls?), what if there were mobile ID vans/buses or something that go through neighborhoods and create them for free on site, stationed in certain areas with the schedule known in advance, would that help?

Hyper bustos: the speediest of bustos.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20161113117081

Earlier on itt you were arguing that racism is a luxury.

That the economy got good, the social contract delivered and because of this everyone suddenly turned irrational, emotionally symbolic, hate filled, anti consensus and racist.

When I say employment can be "good" as a headline figure economic but economic conditions can still be the determinant for "social anger" I seem to be completely disagreeing with you.



There has been an awakening in the farce, have you not felt it?

We can argue that X candidate could have beaten Trump or this swing state this or that, or liburals should have not been sarcastic, or did not win popular vote, less votes than Romney, whatever, all totally and utterly completely irrelevant.

Under normal conditions Trump does not get within a trillion miles of the Presidency. The conditions never get remotely close to emerging for the above to even become debating points.

For him to become President means there has to have been an absolute gargantuan earthquake of change in first principles, of a collapse of the consent that has existed since WW2.

That change is not just limited to Yanklandia#196, we are seeing it across the developed world most notably in Brexit.



The above is not a fluke correspondence of two events in two separate polities. There is an underlying cause or determinant.

A very "primitive" society will have a complex system deities and gods to explain the universe, if you took one of the members of the society aside and said to them hey look you have constructed a complex system of beliefs to help you make sense of objective reality/nature, they will not be like, oh yea, I totally see what we did there, they will just look at you funny:

What do you mean the moon is going in front of the Sun? Fool! Cant you see that Gangor is angry and sending us a sign that he hates the brown skins.

They wont be; nah we just made that narrative up to explain a natural process we have no ****ing clue about. The determinants of their belief system will not be transparent to them.

Fast forward a few thousand years and much the same is true, now however the complex belief systems are used to explain society and economy, things the average individual can not really understand that well objectively and even the most intelligent minds argue incessantly over what are the objective conditions. Vested interests, much like earlier priesthoods deploy massive resources to obfuscate any chances of transparency. Fox news ftw.

What makes Trump/Brexit possible is a process in the above. A big change or failure of the above.

Lets go back to the eclipse. It starts there, with a big moment of transparency that happened in the history of civilisation, a period of history that was given a name. The Enlightenment.

Suddenly it was clear that yea we had made up all that stuff about Gangor, ohh look what we were doing, what has given us this transparency and self awareness? Reason (Rationality)

Reason **** yea, coming again to save the mother ****ing world yea, nature your game is through because now your going to have to answer to REASON **** yea coming again to dominate the mother ****ing world yea. Its a dream that we all share, its a hope for tomorrow.

Here we also see the beginning of the two inherent strands of disagreement going forward:

Reason: Begrudging headnod.gif, yea yea pretty good, but man still inherently flawed, gonna need discipline, hierarchy and authority and still some Gangor or it will be chaos.

Reason: **** YEA gonna conquer nature and build utopia, man transcendent in man yea.Totally transparent social and economic systems. No Gangor. Maybe buddhists (reluctantly).

Those two strands basically advance western civilisation for a few hundred years, with the crazy pinko latter group introducing some hairbrained nonsense and the latter group reigning it in and conserving the status quo for a while. That is a bit a huge generalisation.

Obviously there are some big splinter groups and internal divisions within those groups, and this leads us to the Cold War. Which at its core was a disagreement over REASON. Which was a massively important source of myths to order social and economic realities and had a huge part to play in post WW2 consensus.

The cold war ending was the final chapter before the one we are in now.

The Cold war was a dispute over Progress. Over how to build utopia, or at least the best possible world for the most possible people.That was its core myth.

This is the myth that has collapsed as an organising narrative/explanation of social and economic organisation. The myth of progress, of reasons conquest over nature leading to better and better things. The myth that is an underlying story of our whole civilisation.

For that myth to endure, for it to be accepted, doing OK is not enough, where is the real tangible feel good progress? So the myths of REASON and rationality are not doing what they say on the tin. So we have new myths, of emotion, of symbolism, of hate and Gangor looking to make a comeback.

Its not enough for the economy to be doing OK. If the harvest is meh, then maybe the villagers will doubt that they have to give another virgin to the high priest when he promised giving him virgins meant bumper harvests year in year out. Have you noticed how the harvests have all been meh since that stranger moved into town?

To maintain consensus and broader rationality the economy has to deliver MOAH than it has, it has failed to do that, and now the stranger cops the blame. Which is exactly what happened last time their was a rationality moah crises after 1929. (WW2 started 10 years later, so we got till 2018, seems right).

The key components of this failure is Neo Liberalism, which is carrying the torch for reason. Its a ****ty sell and a ****ty story.

Reason needs a new proposition, a new USP, needs some moah UTOPIA. At this point we should not care if a bit impossible just come up with a good sell that can be made rationally (untrue things can be explained rationally) and the Elites make it seem true by sharing some of their massive PIE stash,because progress sure has been progressing for them. Its no loss, Neo Liberalism tells a ton of lies. Its that or racism.

The cliffs is that during enlightenment we created a new way of explaining the universe, which overtime became generally known as progress via reason, progress and thereby reason not delivering enough so lets get irrational, thereby Trump. Peons wont be aware of this explanation fully in the same way they were not aware that Gangor was just a way of explaining the moon going in front of the sun.

One big thing I left out as well into TLDR, The Enlightenment. That was all white men, the dark bits full of foreigners, need to conquer them to light them up, what do you mean you dont want to pick cotton all day, dont you know I am enlightening you. Because we white men had reason, it was of course totally justified that we conquer the world.

Lol @ someone being disenfranchised because he voted for a candidate and then that candidate dropped out. Look, just because your guy won the election, that doesn't retroactively make all your theories and all the bull**** sites you read that make up problems just so you will support policies that actually disenfranchise people and make it much easier for unqualified scumbags to win elections true.

Just getting caught up from yesterday, between Inso handwaving away most of the nation's crops and Shuffle apparently being new to the forum and not realizing there's a five-year-old thread on voter suppression/fraud/ID, it's been very entertaining

Labor economists look at a lot of stats to determine the strength of the labor market. It's not as simple as u3 or the participation rate. Yellen has 6 labor stats on her dashboard and it appears to me even the professionals argue about the meaning.

Solid post OAFK. However, one funny thing is that material conditions have vastly improved and life expectancy has doubled in the last 150 years or so. But modern/rational/regimented society doesnt necessarily conform to human nature. If you dont have to spend most of your time getting food, there seems to be a lot of time to resent others, from the takers to the swells, the sjws, the pointy heads, and maybe the immigrants or even jews. I really do think the modern world and all its rules, restrictions, shifting norms, and complexities has burdened and alienated many who didnt have time for such things when trying to scrape by. The Dvauts of the world can hop scotch and bebop to the new tune, but they are the minority. Hell, they even see sports as a brach of statistics.