Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
18 Charts on the Rise of Gov't Dependence 18 Charts on the Rise of Gov't Dependence

02-12-2012 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Regret$
It asks me to log in. Cliffs?
Tea Party morons can't comprehend they take more welfare than lazy minorities.
And, the more a state is a Net taker from the Federal government, the more likely it is to bed Red.

Shouldn't have to log in, it is the feature story on the front page, unless Whitney gets put there.
02-12-2012 , 02:49 PM


Spoiler:
02-12-2012 , 03:04 PM
My understanding is that doing things with nytimes.com cookies makes other things happen. Can't elaborate beyond that.
02-12-2012 , 03:11 PM
lol Heritage.

How many times are they going to attempt to deceive people with the "half of Americans pay no income tax!" business that the talking heads always seem to manage to transform to "half of Americans pay no taxes!"

This has to be one of the most pernicious lies in our current political discourse, because every working American knows that he/she pays taxes. Payroll taxes, State taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, so on and so forth. Yet they hear this and assume their lazy neighbors aren't throwing in a dime, so they go out and support politicians who want to cut the very things their taxes are paying for: unemployment insurance, guaranteed retirement, guaranteed health care, etc. It makes me really, REALLY angry.
02-12-2012 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonaspublius
Shouldn't have to log in, it is the feature story on the front page, unless Whitney gets put there.
NYT only lets you read so many articles per month without being a subscriber. So it may not be visible to everyone. That's how they get ya.
02-12-2012 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
It makes me really, REALLY angry.
+1

Something most of us from all sides can agree on. Now if we can just take our agreement and make some positive change that would be awesome.
02-12-2012 , 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVaut1
I didn't study the charts in great detail but yes, as long as teh retired old tymers make up a larger % of the population, more people are going to be receiving government monbies. By design. These charts basically show, as far as I can tell:

- America is aging
- there was a recent recession

But lets just get to the conclusion Heritage wants:

1a. OBAMA SPENT ALL MY MONEY
1b. government government government GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT! GOVERNMENT! GOVERNMENT!
You can also tell they kinda ran out of ideas after hitting their high notes because there's a spell there where many of the charts involve the same "dependency" stat just graphed against something different.
02-12-2012 , 03:34 PM
Bunch of freeloaders, depending on that retirement plan they were forced to pay for!
02-12-2012 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVaut1
I didn't study the charts in great detail but yes, as long as teh retired old tymers make up a larger % of the population, more people are going to be receiving government monbies. By design. These charts basically show, as far as I can tell:

- America is aging
- there was a recent recession

But lets just get to the conclusion Heritage wants:

1a. OBAMA SPENT ALL MY MONEY
1b. government government government GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT! GOVERNMENT! GOVERNMENT!
This is a completely disingenuous post.

It's not about money AT ALL, and you know it...
It's about Government encroachment on personal liberties...
The Road to Serfdom unfolding before our eyes...
Which DVault either supports as an elitist...
Or DVault does not understand history's lessons.

Let's see, with jobs the #1 issue in America...
Obama picks a high-profile fight with the Catholic Church...
Forcing churches to pay for abortion devices, etc...
In direct contradiction of their religious beliefs.

Are people rioting in the streets...
Crying out for more condoms or morning after pills?

No, it's all about Naked Power...
If you can force churches to pay for dildos...
UNDER THE GUISE OF "INSURANCE"...
The Executive Branch has near absolute power...
And techocrats can force businesses and people...
To do virtually anything.

The American Revolution was fought against...
Precisely THIS unaccountable Central Authority = King.
02-12-2012 , 04:55 PM
Cliffs:
Most government programs grow exponentially.
The same tax rates don't cover that growth.

Conclusion:
Raise Taxes on the rich

I thought the Koch boys were righties?
02-12-2012 , 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedManPlus
This is a completely disingenuous post.

It's not about money AT ALL, and you know it...
It's about Government encroachment on personal liberties...
The Road to Serfdom unfolding before our eyes...
Which DVault either supports as an elitist...
Or DVault does not understand history's lessons.

Let's see, with jobs the #1 issue in America...
Obama picks a high-profile fight with the Catholic Church...
Forcing churches to pay for abortion devices, etc...
In direct contradiction of their religious beliefs.

Are people rioting in the streets...
Crying out for more condoms or morning after pills?

No, it's all about Naked Power...
If you can force churches to pay for dildos...
UNDER THE GUISE OF "INSURANCE"...
The Executive Branch has near absolute power...
And techocrats can force businesses and people...
To do virtually anything.

The American Revolution was fought against...
Precisely THIS unaccountable Central Authority = King.
Did you get your GED in the mail or while you were still in prison?
02-12-2012 , 06:35 PM
Dildos are abortion devices?
02-12-2012 , 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LastLife
Cliffs:
Most government programs grow exponentially.
The same tax rates don't cover that growth.

Conclusion:
Raise Taxes on the rich

I thought the Koch boys were righties?


That is not the unspoken conclusion. The unspeakable conclusion is the complete removal of the welfare state and a lowering of taxes for the jerb creators.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-t...ut-handouts-14

The photos on #7 and #14 are my favorite.
02-12-2012 , 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Case Closed
It's a sign of a better society.
02-12-2012 , 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
That is not the unspoken conclusion. The unspeakable conclusion is the complete removal of the welfare state and a lowering of taxes for the jerb creators.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-t...ut-handouts-14

The photos on #7 and #14 are my favorite.
Obviously that isn't the real conclusion because of this one:

Quote:
According to the Tax Foundation’s Microsimulation Model, to erase the U.S. budget deficit for 2010, the U.S. Congress would have to multiply the tax rate for every American by 2.4. That would mean that the 10 percent tax rate would become 24 percent, the 15 percent tax rate would become 36 percent, and the 35 percent tax rate would have to be 85 percent. Keep in mind that this is before unemployment taxes, Social Security taxes and state taxes are paid. Do you think any American would ever put up with a federal income tax rate of 85 percent?
02-12-2012 , 07:37 PM
Uh no, did you not read the last sentence?
02-12-2012 , 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
Uh no, did you not read the last sentence?
Somebody did:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...icans-1166071/
02-12-2012 , 09:06 PM
It's so pathetic that people actually think that raising taxes on the wealthy is going to allow the US to keep running trillion dollar deficits with zero % interest rates and government spending at 25% of gdp.

"tea Party racists michelle bachman king geroge gonna come and take our freedom so we need guns? hahahahah faux news yo sarah palin john stewert is so funny dude"

the US is headed for a massive crash in the future as no we cannot expect the rest of the world to subsidize us forever and no increasing taxes it is not a magical catch all.

but keep ur head in teh sand and keep making Bill O'Reilly sucks jokes, everything is going to be OK. the low hanging fruit tastes soooo good.
02-12-2012 , 09:46 PM
You're gonna have to raise taxes on the wealthy and eliminate a whole lot of entitlement spending. The Heritage foundation wants it to be just one way, and the dirty OWS hippies want it to be the other way, but it has to be both ways. No more soup for anyone.
02-12-2012 , 10:21 PM
The CEO and Editor of the Business Insider, to which you linked, is Henry Blodget, who got butthurt by the big bad govt:

Quote:
In 2002, then New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, published Merrill Lynch e-mails in which Blodget gave assessments about stocks which conflicted with what was publicly published.[4] In 2003, he was charged with civil securities fraud by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.[5] He agreed to a permanent ban from the securities industry and paid a $2 million fine plus a $2 million disgorgement.[6]
Ya, the linked stuff comes from Heritage which speaks for itself.

I linked the Feb. 2012 CBO forecasts a few days ago which show the deficit down to ~$200B in 10 years, and that's w/o raising taxes, which will happen. But, yeah, an aging population that lives longer presents challenges to US finances, no doubt. Nothing that couldn't be solved overnight by moving to single-payer, but meh.

Investors Business Daily is another right-wing, crap site that posted Health Care Reform was reparations for black people and other nonsense. I almost had these 2 confused at first. Both garbage sites.
02-12-2012 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klinker
The CEO and Editor of the Business Insider, to which you linked, is Henry Blodget, who got butthurt by the big bad govt:
Is this his way of being intentionally ironic or did he pick this name completely by accident? lol
02-12-2012 , 11:00 PM
The government will continue to do well. Wages are stagnant and productivity is increasing. Probably the difference is in the pockets of the rich and the politicians they bribed.
02-12-2012 , 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashington
Is this his way of being intentionally ironic or did he pick this name completely by accident? lol
Drumming up bizness I guess.

Henry Blodget:

02-13-2012 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klinker
I linked the Feb. 2012 CBO forecasts a few days ago which show the deficit down to ~$200B in 10 years
As long as interests rates never go up, the bond vigilantes continue to hibernate, consumer prices do not rise enough to cause social/political unrest that could lead to higher interest rates, the economy continues to grow without the need of further stimulus, banks and auto companies do not fail again requiring more rescue packages, the European Financial Crisis does not affect the American economy, European fiscal stimulus/money printing instead of just austerity does not happen that might cause consumer prices to rise, the Chinese and other Asians continue to weather 5% annual inflation with a big smile on their face, we do not have any more wars or terrorist attacks, Congress does not extend any of the Bush tax cuts, not extending Bush tax cuts does not hurt the GDP, declining government spending does not hurt the GDP (currently 25% of our economy) and Congress sticks by the "projected" plans for austerity despite the fact that there is absolutely zero short term precedent, the most recent battle last August saw zero short term cuts, all cuts were pushed towards the future and not written stone, and the payroll tax cuts end.... Yes, if all of that happens, the budget deficit might only be 200b in ten years.


Spoiler:

      
m