Ill find the article on your buddy using robots in the past and ill post it here by the end of the day so everyone can see what really happened. I don't tend to side with books on disputes like this but this is so clear that it's stupid. I read all of SBR thread including the article that someone posted about your guy using robots. When i heard he had a "friend" on p2p i came looking for the thread only to find this bull**** here. So sick of players like you guys ruining it for everyone.

where was it posted

what are some key words, username, book, etc

I have nothing to do for 30min

Literally think the exact same thing. Assuming I know I was 100% in the right , and had tens of thousands stolen.... I’d snap.

It must happen... 100% I’m flying to Costa Rica if they stole that kinda money. How are people so passive? Crazy.

You are either a liar or a complete moron. He has never used a betting robot, never even been accused of using one previous to this youwager nonsense and he doesn't feature in any such article. You are a confused moron or a lying shill.

If you have kids, are gainfully employed, etc., it's tough to just throw your life away and also shirk all of your responsibilities to loved ones in the process. If you have nothing to lose, murder away.

It gets even better when a book steals from you right before Christmas like Betislands did to all of us!

Somehow Tony is the one allegedly dead vs Cascade Lenny, Jay Cohen, Bet Islands Jon, SBR John etc etc etc

I didn’t say I was murdering anyone. I said I’d go there. Idk what I’d do. I get your statement, but everyone’s situation is different. I’d imagine that $ could be the diff with someone’s life being changed dramatically. People do a lot worse for a lot less.

I def wouldn’t eat the loss. That’s all I’m saying.

It was posted to SBR. I forgot what book exactly. but people called him out on there.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ping-java.html

Sorry it wasn't an article it was a link to a forum where he was asking about creating java script to create a scraper. He even admits to the claim saying it was him that did that but says he has not done it since. In my opinion, once a cheater always a cheater. Also, why make $1 bets on anything if there isn't something shady going on.

OK, so you are an uneducated moron who works for SBR.

1. that is not an article, nor is anyone being accused of anything

2. scraping data is different from using a betting robot

This is a post that SBR kept trying to use against CCC when he opened the complaint. They kept asking him to come clean and admit he used a robot because of his posting history of asking about programming. He kept trying to explain to them that he did not use a bot or a script to bet. All bets were manually entered.

They would ignore him for days and then come back again asking him to come clean and tell them everything. Eventually they blew him off and told him that youwager was willing to make a partial payment if he signed a document saying he had used a bot. Their offer was $15,000.

In the meantime, SBR had revoked his posting privileges so that when he eventually did try to post about his situation, it had to be approved by SBR. They deleted some posts, disallowed others and edited another.

SBR are pure scum and are flagrantly corrupt. They are also morons.

Fair enough. The other guy you were quoting was talking about a bloodbath IIRC. It is surprising that more people haven't flown down to CR over these disputes. Most people don't have the time, the means, the ability to speak Spanish, etc. And they probably correctly figure that the authorities won't side with them if called. In other words, the police will be called on them and they'll be told to get lost.

I don't think scraping data is a bot

but I don't think using a bot even matters unless it was for steam only


and even in that scenario, who cares

if I had a bot and told it to bet when a line reached 3.5, I think that is fair enough.

I was wasn't around to bet it when offered so had the bot do it

whats wrong with that?

Whats wrong with it is that literally every single book has a rule against it. so when you get caught and then run to forums like this to complain about getting caught breaking rules it makes me laugh. They will also just create more rules to make it that much harder for everyone else because one person wanted to try to take advantage. I don't even use youwager but i can't side with a guy that blatantly broke a rule.

i dont use a bot, so i missed that in all of terms of condition

im the ignorant one, so can you just post the terms of a bot or give me a link so i can learn about it?

https://www.youwager.eu/help/house-rules.php

https://mybookie.ag/rules-regulations/

so on and so forth

nice little addition on 13

im more worried about 5

No bet may be cancelled, changed, or modified by the bettor, once it has been accepted in the Sportsbook

So it went from him getting caught using a bot to asking a really dumb basic question about webscraping? Got it.

Not only is that not true, many books offer APIs so that programmers can more easily write bots. Once again, I hope that your family finds you slowly twisting this holiday season.

Wow, Optional is a total P.O.S.

He's over at SBR posturing and challenging anyone to show where he has lacked integrity or shown favoritism towards youwager. And he's doing it on his censored forum. He's hiding from this thread of course. Another 2P2er let me know that they posted this link over there and SBR deleted the post:

http://sportsbettingsites.org/news/y...mplaints-3524/

Thank you PropPlayer for putting that report together.

Still around, google Offshore Gambler's Digest instead of Peeps. Cobbler has a thread started about this over there.

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=543937

Post-Oak, I'm sorry your friend is getting a raw deal here. If I were still moderating as Justin7 and handling this dispute, here's how I would have handled it:

Player vs Youwager/77k confiscation

Per the player’s complaint, he opened an account at Youwager in 2016. The player made many wagers and increased his balance to $77,721. In May and June of 2018, the player placed 72 bets for $1 or $3. In June through October, he resumed his normal bets with at least $100,000 more in volume.

Youwager accused the player of using a robot and claimed the 72 small wagers was proof, and that keeping a large balance there was also proof of robot usage. It also claimed that the players’ $1 bets occurred within seconds of line movements as further proof that the player was using a robot (this proof may or may not exist, but it has not been posted publicly.)

In Youwagers’ General Rules, there is prohibition against robots. Rule 13 says “Robot or automated wager is not allowed at FF. If your account is flagged as Bot or automated use, winnings will be reversed and account closed”. The rules also state in rule 9: “Nevada Gaming Commission rules and regulations, payoffs and wager types always apply.”

Issue: Is confiscating a players’ prior balance for subsequent robot play a reasonable remedy?

Assuming Youwager can show robot play, is it reasonable to seize the players’ balance? There are some rules that are reasonable which allow a Sportsbook to seize a balance. If a player uses someone else’s credit card, it is normal to void all wagers due to costs of credit card fraud. If a minor player submits an incorrect age that makes him appear to be a legal adult, that is another case where undoing all transactions is fair. In both those cases, there are huge costs or penalties to the sportsbook if those wagers are allowed to stand (in terms of losing a license or dealing with a claim of credit card fraud.)

Another case where it can be reasonable to revoke a bonus, and winnings based on that bonus occurs when a player that already has an account fraudulently opens up another account with a fake I.D. In this case, the player is making an overt action to defraud the sportsbook, and the transactions related to that fraud can reasonable be voided.

There are also ridiculous rules that sportsbooks have tried to use to fabricate a reason to refuse payment. SBR has dealt with many of these Sportsbooks in the past that use rules as a pretext to seize a player’s balance. Oddsmaker (Rated F) had a free-play promotion with some nasty fine-print: if you placed a single parlay, all your winnings were voided. This rule was unreasonable and contributed to Oddsmaker being demoted to an “F” rating.

Another example of a ridiculous rule was WagerHub (Rated D- at the time), which had a rule banning “non-recreational play”. When WagerHub seized $8200 from a player using this rule, SBR noted that it considered that action theft.

If a rule prevents a harm, and the penalty is related to that harm, the rule is probably reasonable. If a rule is just a ploy to grab a player’s balance, and is either unexpected, or the amount seized unrelated to what occurred, the rule is unreasonable.

If the player used a robot to place 72 micro-wagers, at most the book could do is void those wagers. His winnings from non-robot wagers were fair, and unrelated to the 72 micro-wagers. The player is owed his balance.

What is the remedy for a sportsbook when a player uses a robot or scraper? The reasonable remedy, if the sportsbook does not want that, is to close the account. Indeed, most sportsbooks will close your account or block your IP if you scrape it too often. However, when a Sportsbook uses this as a ploy to seize $77k, that is unacceptable. That is behavior similar to how D- and F books behave. Youwager should pay the player, or be treated as other books that use “gotcha” rules to steal balances and deserve a rating similar to WagerHub or Oddsmaker.

We don’t need to determine if the player actually used a robot, as it has no effect on the correct outcome.

It's not hard to place bets within seconds of line movement if you're manually monitoring markets on the sharp books or using arb alert software and basically all serious bettors are doing one or the other, I don't use a bot and it's not uncommon for me to have fired a spot within seconds of line movement

Placing $1 bets also doesn't mean anything why would a bot be placing 1 dollar bets anyway for profit it makes a lot more sense that someone's either recording their bets with 1 dollar wagers to potentially test a model or something or just build a record of their bets or they're potentially booking action at that books line off-site with a third party although the latter is impossible to prove and the former is a perfectly reasonable explanation.

By all means the book should be able to refuse further action from the player if it wants but it has to pay him his balance or it's just plain theft. SBR have zero integrity whatsoever.

Justin, thanks for taking the time to explain how you would have handled it.

As an aside, I 100% believe him that he did not use a bot. This is based on everything I know about him and what he has told me over the last few weeks. After seeing the "proof" that youwager provided to him, there was never any reason to think a bot had been used.

Optional is writing some weird nonsense over in the SBR thread now.

I am not creditcardclown. CCC has not posted here at all.

CCC found out he was on post review when he tried to post his thread on SBR. It did not happen after. He was later fully banned from the forum. Apparently he is now back to post review status.

I myself was not (initially) banned for attacking SBR. You can read exactly what I posted in this thread (post #9). They deleted my posts and banned me. I know how to use SBR forums. I could log into my account but I had zero access to the forums. I could not even see their forums. Apparently they want to say that this is not a banning because you can log in.

It looks like Optional is attempting to muddy the waters. I'll leave it at that.

This ****show just keeps spiraling. There's a new thread about a guy who is getting stiffed $23k, as YouWager told him he's non-rec. From the sounds of it, he is 100% rec.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...t-problem.html

How many complaints is that now? There's the $77k robot theft, the $23k non-rec theft, 3 (?) players reporting their withdrawals were sent to somebody else via BTC, one of them then got more funds confiscated for posting about it, and one player saying he has been getting slowpaid for $30k or something like that. How long have these complaints been outstanding? And these guys are still rated A at SBR. How likely is it that they've gone busto, and are trying to negotiate a bailout behind the scenes?

But if that's the case, all this bull**** killing their reputation is not going to help their case to get a bailout. Who would want to buy a book that is flushing its reputation down the toilet?