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Old 08-12-2010, 05:44 PM   #1
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Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

Now that NFL season is back, I'll being the parade of people asking for obtuse generalizations on system plays.

Is it smart to make Wong teaser picks in the preseason? There's a half dozen games with spreads of 1.5 that I think would have value.
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:43 PM   #2
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yep, it has worked in the past, but that ATS subset has also crushed big time
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:33 PM   #3
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I am thinking of doing only wong teaser this season. With 10k bankroll going to see if I can roll it up doing standard 100 dollar bet on each 2 team 6 point teaser. Not sure I want to do 3+ team teaser.

P.s kind of tilting how I forgot to deposit earlier and now trying to rush to deposit to place on today Pat -8.5 teaser. And finally when I have all the infor. for echeck on bookmaker somehow I click back and now everything disappear
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:37 PM   #4
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What is a good book to play wongs at?
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:40 PM   #5
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5 dimes has 2 team teasers at even money...which is what you are looking for with these
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:44 PM   #6
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I probably going to spread my money around with bookmaker, Thegreek, and bodog. Doesn't 5 dime kind of trick you with bad 6 point teaser though I read from somewhere? Although haven't look on there for months now. Also with doing this teaser I want to learn to control my tilt and bankroll management when it come to sportsbetting and not tilt it all away. This is only for side hobby as most of my income is from poker.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:45 PM   #7
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5 dimes has 2 team teasers at even money...which is what you are looking for with these
5dimes isn't the place to be anymore, they shade out .5 and 1 point all the time which is worse than going -110

find places with 3 teamers at +180 and 4 teamers at +300
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Old 08-27-2010, 03:28 AM   #8
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This is what I got so far. look good? Said I wasn't going to do 3+ teamed but can't resist. didn't place a 3 teamed wager since bookmaker has +160. Going to deposit at thegreek next week to do 3 teamed on there since they have +180 I believe

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08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:13 AM
[Ticket #: 80928593] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/27/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [260] KANSAS CITY +8˝-110 (B+6)
08/28/2010 @ 02:00 PM NFL [263] CLEVELAND +8-110 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:15 AM
[Ticket #: 80928598] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/27/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [260] KANSAS CITY +8˝-110 (B+6)
08/28/2010 @ 04:30 PM NFL [268] TAMPA BAY +9-125 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:16 AM
[Ticket #: 80928603] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/28/2010 @ 02:00 PM NFL [263] CLEVELAND +8-110 (B+6)
08/28/2010 @ 04:30 PM NFL [268] TAMPA BAY +9-125 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:20 AM
[Ticket #: 80928629] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/27/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [260] KANSAS CITY +8˝-110 (B+6)
08/29/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [282] DENVER +8-110 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:21 AM
[Ticket #: 80928643] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/28/2010 @ 02:00 PM NFL [263] CLEVELAND +8-110 (B+6)
08/29/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [282] DENVER +8-110 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:22 AM
[Ticket #: 80928645] 2 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/28/2010 @ 04:30 PM NFL [268] TAMPA BAY +9-125 (B+6)
08/29/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [282] DENVER +8-110 (B+6)
110.00 100.00
08/27/2010 by ONLINE at 12:24 AM
[Ticket #: 80928654] 4 Team FB 6, 6˝, 7 - BK 5, 5˝, 6
08/27/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [260] KANSAS CITY +8˝-110 (B+6)
08/28/2010 @ 02:00 PM NFL [263] CLEVELAND +8-110 (B+6)
08/28/2010 @ 04:30 PM NFL [268] TAMPA BAY +9-125 (B+6)
08/29/2010 @ 05:00 PM NFL [282] DENVER +8-110 (B+6)

amount didn't copy but risking 110 for 2 teamed and 100 for 4 teamed
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:21 PM   #9
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Please explain the 5 dime shading...
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #10
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Please explain the 5 dime shading...
If a game is -2 -105 most places, they will keep it at -1 -113 so that you can't tease it efficiently. Pinnacle does the same thing.
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:40 PM   #11
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Pretty shady, but I currently see several Wong teaser opportunities for week 1 NFL on 5 dimes at +2.5 -110
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:06 PM   #12
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Pretty shady, but I currently see several Wong teaser opportunities for week 1 NFL on 5 dimes at +2.5 -110
Irrelevant because you can't tease them yet there.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:09 PM   #13
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

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If a game is -2 -105 most places, they will keep it at -1 -113 so that you can't tease it efficiently. Pinnacle does the same thing.
Does it ever get to the point where you can expose this strategy by teasing the other direction? I can imagine a situation where if a game was like -2.5 -105 everywhere, teasing the -1 to a +5 could work (even though you are breaking the crossing the 0 rule). I don't know, just thinking out loud.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:11 PM   #14
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

Crossing the zero is the worst thing. The whole thing about teasing from +1.5 to +7.5 is that you cover both the 3 and the 7, which are huge.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:17 PM   #15
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

Well of course you're not *supposed* to cross the zero because it has very little value, but can you imagine a situation where the %s for the -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 (depending on the rules) give you a +EV bet on a teaser? I think it's possible, but I don't know tbh.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:22 PM   #16
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

Assuming you were doing a 4 team round robin like above, what is proper hedging strategy? I've found threads here and at SBR talking about the merits of hedging the wongs, but not the how-to.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:29 PM   #17
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Well of course you're not *supposed* to cross the zero because it has very little value, but can you imagine a situation where the %s for the -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 (depending on the rules) give you a +EV bet on a teaser? I think it's possible, but I don't know tbh.
The zero doesn't have "very little value," it has no value. You're paying for a six-point teaser but only getting five points, which I have to think kills the EV.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:40 PM   #18
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The zero doesn't have "very little value," it has no value. You're paying for a six-point teaser but only getting five points, which I have to think kills the EV.
Ties can happen.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:48 PM   #19
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OK, I'll cede to you that the zero has no value (even if it isn't exactly true, it's close enough). Still, aren't you paying for 6 points but getting 7 (again, depending on the teaser rules)? DUCY? Depending on your projected %s, this could add up to the necessary +20.7% (or whatever it is) with a low total or something.

Simple example (completely pulled from my posterior, but perhaps reasonable depending on the situation):

Market -2.5
Book trying to protect against teasor: -1

-2 2%
-1 2.5%
0 0%
+1 2.5%
+2 2%
+3 10%
+4 3%
+5 2%

So you win this leg 50%+22% of the time (and push 2%). If you're getting +100, this is +EV, right? My point is that it seems possible, but I certainly haven't delved into the math.

Last edited by AStoopidDonkey; 08-27-2010 at 02:06 PM. Reason: My made-up %s don't account for the median spread (-1 =! 1), ldo. This is just an example to show that it might be possible.
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Old 08-27-2010, 02:49 PM   #20
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

Think you peeps might be looking for this thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/40...al-5-a-649103/
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Old 08-27-2010, 03:02 PM   #21
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Holy crap, that's an awesome thread. Thanks. I guess ImStillBen already has this stuff figured out.
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:23 PM   #22
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just tease all the team I already got with atlanta went up .5 on bookmaker crossing that 7. A lot of games this week plus I am tempted to tease pre season with regular but afraid line on regular season might change thought?
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:28 AM   #23
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re: Wong Teasers Basic Strategy Discussion Thread

The best part about football season! Hopefuly bodog is decent for wongs, because that's the only sportsbook I have money on haha. Hope to be continuing my 200+% ROI like the last 2 seasons.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:58 PM   #24
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Every year I vow to have a roll built up for these by the time the season starts.

Every year I fail.

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Old 08-28-2010, 02:16 PM   #25
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you guys have already missed good week one and two exhibition for basic strategy

some of us that extended to the marginal wongs didn't do quite as well

I'm 18 out of 25 teased legs in NFL-x games right now
However, the losses have mainly been with the more marginal legs that I haven't round-robined across the board. The true wongs have been 8 out of 10 IIRC at the times I've placed bets.
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