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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
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Again you seem to be struggling with my thesis. It is not proving whether he he did or did not, but the mere fact that he has claimed many variations of both.
Are you familiar with his EL story? And the various permutations of the story? My point is that the narrative is fluid and he says whatever he wants to say, since he doesn't keep track of this and its been ongoing for a decade many of the comments he currently makes are directly opposed to comments he has made before. Sometimes he's given out reasons for lying (Such as not wanting to divulge he owned a portion of WS and assumed the EL debt as a condition of the sale to Oly) other times he just kinda glosses over it. You may notice his absence from this thread where he had plenty of time to defend himself previously, but when you get past the bluster of MILLION DOLLAR BET and look at his comments, one set must obviously be false, since they are directly opposed.
He also claims to have made another 75k bet on the Lakers again in 01 btw at even longer odds. Guess this was back when you could just pop off 75k on futures without meaningfully moving the line, yet 14 years later he's holding 8k in a BTC book to get down with? I guess you can believe that if you like.
I just think its hilarious that you guys keep on referencing me owning a piece of WS as some smoking gun discovery - When I am the one who divulged this info ON THIS VERY WEBSITE. Great detective work guys, how did you manage to figure that one out.
Also why is it so hard to believe that in 2000 you could get down 75k (value in CAD bc I was Canadian betting in USD) on a futures bet without moving the number do you have any idea how many books were around in 2000 and how disconnected the market was back then? There were people earning a very good living just scalping MLB back then because the market was that inefficient.
Its also hilarious that you mentioned me betting 250k a game and not understanding that pre UIGEA getting down that much $ was a breeze. In fact Pre 2008 (Donaghy) you could get down 100k on a 1h total in Asia alone if you had the right connections.
Its kind of comical how out of touch a lot of you guys are with what goes down with betting large amounts of money.
Why is it so hard to believe that I'd have a small amount of $ with Nitro in 2015 when 1 - they offer instant w/ds (why would you ever carry more than a few bets worth of postup with them at a time). 2. They offer anonymous accounts.
Do you have any idea how betting large amts of money works nowadays (or in 2015)? I'll explain it for you in case you don't (in order of preference).
1. You find a great beard who can bet big amounts of cash with a reputable spot, preferably in the UK. Once upon a time a big UK book was taking 50-75k GBP on NBA totals from "me" (really my beard) That place nowonly takes 20k gbp on full game totals and 500 gpb on half totals no matter how good the beard from my understanding.
1a. You can beard into the guy from TX who has the biggest set of balls of any bookmaker you could ever imagine. Pretty sure he just got arrested, and may or not have went broke prior to that (wonder how).
2. You get some good asian outs through a beard (the .hgs) where you can get down a decent amount without moving the market. Its my understanding that these places are tougher to bet now as well as they open limits later and later in the day and if you want to bet in the morning you have to click a game 50-60x to get down 10k (they take micro limits and force you to click it over and over again, don't ask me why but thats what they do). They will also take a game offline after you make a few bets and more aggressively move the #
3. You try using a VIP brokerage like Matchbook VIP, they at times can be brutal to work with will blast market and will often go out on games before you give it to them if they can figure out what sides you seem to be favoring on a daily basis.
In fact the 1h / 2h total plays that were great from 2000-2013 were ruined when Jan (perp czech) figured out this angle and Matchbook VIP started letting people bet 75k on 1h totals in either 2013 or 2014 I forget which year that was.
4. You get a ton of micro click accounts from lots of different agents. I think the smallest account I'd have taken in 2014-2015 was around 200-300 my end, you then stick them in your autobettor. The Agent gets somewhere between 30-70% depending on how pieced out the account was, a lot of volume nowadays goes through PPH outlaw spots. The last year I was doing this full time we had >150 micro click accounts in our auto betttor.
So knowing all of that and knowing that I've been super long BTC since the very beginning, (I was mocked on twitter for being long BTC when it dropped from 1000 to 300) why wouldn't I want to *print* a free 10-15btc a week with nitrogen?
Keep in mind that i have 100% Of the account which is almost NEVER THE CASE.
How is this so hard to believe. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to actually bet games nowadays for scale? This isn't 2005 where you could just get down 100k without even trying.
Everything was so much easier 5-7 years ago, nowadays betting is just a **** show.
In fact betting in 2010 was a ****show, but even in 2010 it was miles and mils better than it is now.
In 2010ish when Pinny was still wide open with credit accounts in the US you could manage to get yourself an anonymous bluecircle account if you knew the right people and just blast pinnacle for a few weeks.
For those unfamiliar with bluecircle accounts, they were double or triple limit accounts for VIPs (usually big losers) and Pinny *might* move the number 1-3 cents after a bet. *might*
I say for a few weeks because eventually pinnacle would figure out the account was sharp and close the account or return it to regular limits or to a level where the number moves AND a trader is informed of the bet so they can make the proper adjustments (lay off etc).
When that would happened the agent (if you had a good one) would just get you a new one and you could possibly repeat the process over again a few times.
Some other things you seem to have trouble understanding -
I took a year off in the 2010 season to do some consulting work with an NBA team - I didn't like it and returned to betting 2011-2015ish. Since 2015ish I've been at best part time and in the case of the last 1.5 years I've been working on something unrelated and not involved with betting at all.\
Why would I do this when I could still win?
Because I don't need more $ (remember i made all my money because I owned a piece of a fledgling crappy online book)
Betting is a pain in the ass nowadays, I've been stiffed, slow paid and hustled for more money than most of you guys will see in your lifetime. I had a "pro poker player" who bearded me into the best book in the world, paid me the first 2m that I won and then who managed to lose 9-10m to the bookie betting his own stuff and wasn't able to pay me the remaining balance I'm owed.
You have to deal with the super clever agents who give you 5-10 accounts and then keep 15-20 for themselves so they can get access to your information and bet more $ for themselves because they are greedy.
Its not as exciting for me as it used to be.
And finally - I've got too much other stuff going on right now.
Question for Mikhel -
Do you doubt that I've worked for an NBA team in a consulting role and that if I wanted to right now I would work for one again?
Do you doubt that I've had a beard in a big book an have beat that book for mid 7 figures?
What type of crow would you eat if I could provide doc. to prove would that shut you up?
Find a trustworthy emissary who I know (or will make himself known to me) and provided he's willing to keep all the info confidential and I'd be happy to share that with him proof of the above claims.
Absent of that you are just a pathetic little troll and I'm done with you.