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Old 06-25-2017, 03:36 PM   #26
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Is Vegas Dave really a winner? I wonder why he tries to sell his picks so hard if he has won that much money off sports betting.
He's a complete and utter fraud. I think he recently lost his home and was also arrested .
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:07 PM   #27
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What problems do u have with RightAngle Sports? They win .
RAS is fine. There was some weird thing that happened to them while back. Something about them releasing their plays early to a very very select few which would obviously hurt your chances of getting the best line. Also had something to do with a convicted bank robber if I remember right. I think RAS Ed was selling his picks to said bank robber a few minutes before release, and the bank robber started selling them himself? Something like that. Ed has owned up to it and didnt seem to think it was a big deal. Depends how you look at it. I can see both sides; on one hand its technically stealing. You dont pay all that money for a service expecting that the plays are secretly getting released right before you get them. So he was I guess stealing a tiny bit of EV from everyone every release.

On the other hand, that EV that hes "stealing" was only there in the first place because of him. And RAS certainly does win. Theyre expensive and getting down at their number is almost impossible, but they do beat the close and they do win and they keep really good records, as far as I can tell. Someone might point out a record keeping error here and there over like a 6 year period, but overall I would say theyre an honest and up front operation. I can certainly see the other side of the argument though, what with the bank robbing stuff and such.

You can do a lot worse than RAS if youre going to pay for picks anyway, but I dont think anyone should pay for picks in the first place.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:21 PM   #28
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They win vs $500 markets, not much else.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:53 PM   #29
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Bill Benter and Alan Woods?
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:37 AM   #30
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They win vs $500 markets, not much else.
True.That is a negative though I doubt people paying for picks are betting much than 500,1000 dollars a game anyway
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:33 AM   #31
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big soccer better on twitter/you tube and sometimes golf is #****sakegraham
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:13 PM   #32
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They win vs $500 markets, not much else.
Ofr you are too lazy and incompetent too find solid off screen outs.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:15 PM   #33
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True.That is a negative though I doubt people paying for picks are betting much than 500,1000 dollars a game anyway
I am confident RAS average customer is betting at least 2000 a game.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:21 PM   #34
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Ofr you are too lazy and incompetent too find solid off screen outs.
Or I can beat those markets myself at a better rate so I'm not sending Ed $12,000 for his crap.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:29 PM   #35
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If you are a winning sports bettor, why would you publicise that?
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:19 PM   #36
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Or I can beat those markets myself at a better rate so I'm not sending Ed $12,000 for his crap.
Why are you so angry ? They have on 58 units over the past 2 years. Their selections are posted 10 minutes after the game starts and they are 100% transparent. Its hard to get the # and betting he's s stuff will get you thrown out of , or limited in many shops , but to call his work " crap " makes you sound like a jealous, angry , meatball. Do you book? Has Edward beaten you ? How can you justify calling RAS crap when all they have ever done is won?
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:04 AM   #37
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They somehow think a "unit" is the same on board/added/extra games and totals (both 1h and 2h).

You should really understand how touts manipulate records before commenting on a subject you don't understand.

In addition:
1) Number of plays
2) Angle shooting closing lines
3) Dubious accounting of "free plays"

It isn't that they are the worst, but they openly front run clients. Deliver dubious value at best, and openly contradict each other. (See Ed and Mike openly disagreeing about the effect of the bank robber's line manipulation.)

You just don't really understand what is going on because you don't know much about sports betting or RAS so you're resorting to petty personal attacks in the form of a rhetorical question. (Generally a good indicator the person making the attack has nfi what they're doing.)
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Old 06-27-2017, 05:41 PM   #38
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Why are you so angry ? They have on 58 units over the past 2 years. Their selections are posted 10 minutes after the game starts and they are 100% transparent. Its hard to get the # and betting he's s stuff will get you thrown out of , or limited in many shops , but to call his work " crap " makes you sound like a jealous, angry , meatball. Do you book? Has Edward beaten you ? How can you justify calling RAS crap when all they have ever done is won?
lol u mad?

assume you can get everyone of his lines (v. unlikely) and can get the cris limit (also unlikely) at the time down (football is released way before limits are big)

here are your returns - the $19k the service cost the last two years.



36k, or about 1/10 of what i made on cbb this year
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:02 PM   #39
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Thats really not that bad. Compared to the average pick seller it is down right extraordinary.

And you guys seem to think you're only allowed to place bets at one account at a time for some reason. The 500 and 1k limit stuff, you should be able to get down at two diff places most of the time I would say. I think 25k a year is possible for someone who is really really dedicated, and haven't their last two years been very below average for them?

RAS is far from perfect but time is a finite resource there are plenty of other touts far FAR worse that could use your attention if you are so inclined
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:22 PM   #40
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You have no idea what you're talking about and are obviously a poseur of the highest order.
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Old 06-28-2017, 03:42 AM   #41
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Old 06-28-2017, 06:00 PM   #42
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lol u mad?

assume you can get everyone of his lines (v. unlikely) and can get the cris limit (also unlikely) at the time down (football is released way before limits are big)

here are your returns - the $19k the service cost the last two years.



36k, or about 1/10 of what i made on cbb this year
I was wondering when you were going to chime in with a figure that you made .
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Old 06-28-2017, 06:13 PM   #43
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Re: Who are the legit top sports bettors?

Throw out second half sides of which most people will never get in on time and you have a losing figure.

The figures posted are based on betting the limit, most players aren't doing that either.

If they were they wouldn't need RAS. There are numerous threads across the forum world showing how bad RAS has been, it likely conflicts the information posted.

Draw your own conclusions and let's move on, this isn't a RAS kiss ass a thon thread.
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:05 AM   #44
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Re: Who are the legit top sports bettors?

This is RickJ. How can I help you with your handicapping?
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:47 AM   #45
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That's almost a 200% return over 2 years. And we are all taking sabanetas word on the numbers. Its a shady completely unregulated market with money flying all over the place, what do you guys want, choir boys? All you care about is beating the market, these guys destroy the market and still not good enough. Also love the bitching about not being able to get their number. Why do you think that is? If it was easy to get their number would that be preferable?

It's strange, it is almost like certain people would complain and attack no matter what. Maybe all that talk about internet commenters being angry, small, pathetic men is right?
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:54 AM   #46
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This guy is the best and there isn't a close 2nd.

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Old 06-30-2017, 12:43 PM   #47
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Like,

You honestly have never bet RAS and have no clue what you're talking about. The "not being able to get the number" isn't for the reasons you think it is.

But best of luck with your future betting endeavors. Maybe you'll be able to figure out correlated parlays and learn to read 5i RLs.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:17 PM   #48
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Like,

You honestly have never bet RAS and have no clue what you're talking about. The "not being able to get the number" isn't for the reasons you think it is.

But best of luck with your future betting endeavors. Maybe you'll be able to figure out correlated parlays and learn to read 5i RLs.
Yea that is ridiculous when touts supposedly track there record "honestly" but they claim impossible numbers that turn losers into pushes and pushes into winners.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:39 PM   #49
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Yea that is ridiculous when touts supposedly track there record "honestly" but they claim impossible numbers that turn losers into pushes and pushes into winners.
RAS does not claim impossible #s. They are available when their plays are released. It's very difficult to get them with Cris , Pinny etc, but if you have Off screen outs you should be fine.
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:35 PM   #50
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Like,

You honestly have never bet RAS and have no clue what you're talking about. The "not being able to get the number" isn't for the reasons you think it is.

But best of luck with your future betting endeavors. Maybe you'll be able to figure out correlated parlays and learn to read 5i RLs.
Want to bet that I have used RAS? Ill escrow up to 10k.

I used them for WNBA and probably lost money. It was very hard to get their number. This was a long time ago and I'm sure I could do better now.

We as much evidence that Ive bet with RAS and am a winning bettor and can fly that we do that you, sir, are some great bettor.
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