I didn't say I don't bet...
Your logic doesn't make sense. 3 handicappers with the exact same percentages (+10 units). Ask the first handicapper ($10/game) how much $ he is up he'd say $100, ask the second handicapper ($100/game) how much he's up he'd say $1000. Third handicapper ($500/game) he'd say $5000.

You can always tell how much a person doesnt know what theyre talking about when they start preaching about ROI. ROI is one of the most over rated metrics in sports betting

But you'd respect someone when they describe betting like "you rate one out of ten Dodge Ram 2500s"?

And I wasn't "preaching" about ROI. Out of curiosity, Like, how would you rate a good handicapper?

It's an inside joke referring to one of the coolest and most feared posters in 2p2 history

I wouldn't, and have never, spent an iota of mental energy ever trying to figure out who is good at this in lieu of trying to get good at it myself. It's a little bit of a cuck mentality actually. If you really believe that people can beat liquid markets, then why not try to do it yourself?

But to play along, I guess I would see if they beat the closing line and that's pretty much it. Assuming we're talking sides and totals of a major sport, that is really the best way to tell if someone is good going forward. After that I'm looking at units won I guess, and yea sure ROI, but it's not near the top of the list. I could almost definitely lock in an ROI over 50% every year for the rest of my life. I'd win about 500 bucks a year, if that, but still. My ROI would be SICK!

Don't pay for picks man. It's a suckers game.

Ok so do you bet? How much are you up?

I bet 50c/game so I'm up $39.50 overall

? That's weird.

Great comment,an Handicapper is so much more than ROI
I would also like to add the most important aspect of all:Can you get the same price the handicapper advised?
A good handicapper not only has to have an edge/beat the closing odds he has to protect that edge.
A good handicapper can not have thousands of clients and/or big bettors
A good handicapper can not release is peaks at the opening odds
Nowadays every time i tought i ve found a good handicapper i trace the next dozen of bets and it is indeed a rat race,at least here in Europe

Tout doesn't mean handicapper.

yes sory i know,my bad.

ROI sucks as an evaluation measure because anyone can inflate their ROI by just releasing into low limit markets. Many people could show a fantastic ROI betting into the $250 and $500 openers some books release, or proposition bets with $200 and $300 limits. Would you rather have a 1% ROI betting into a market with $10,000 limits or a 5% ROI betting into a market with $250 limits?

Like how Ed bets into low limit markets and continually lies about it. In addition to the overt lies on their website and e-mails?

Any ROI registered in anything than Pinnacle in a liquid market is steroids.Looks good superficially,useless inside(for the customer)

What else could you use to rate a good handicapper?

Closing odds

So the amount the initial pick changes from release?

Money won >> anything else

That's what someone else said too. But IMO that's not a good way to gauge a handicapper. For example, 2 handicappers with the exact same results, both +50 units, first one bets $50/game, up $2500, second bets $150/game and is up $7500. Not really an accurate way to gauge a handicapper.

What Sabaneta meant to say was Units won » Anything else.And in fact that is the best metric, a good ROI is useless without Volume.The problem is unless you have a very large sample size you wil always be guessing if the tout is credible or not.Use Closing odds to asess that

No, rito meant money, not units. Units are meaningless because with a small roll you can make $1,000 bets at 10% edge all day long and crush in terms of units. But that doesn't translate into the same level of real world success as betting $250k a shot with just a 2.5% edge.

Personally I prefer to measure my success in the number of enemy flags taken.

neither one is smart enough to be a winner if they are still flat betting the same peanut after being up up 50units

Obviously. It was an example...

Only on 2+2 can a moron argue with legit top sports bettors about how to judge betting success in a thread titled Who are the legit top sports bettors. What an amazing world we live in.

#blessed