Top Five?

Iowa
NS3
Appleton Syndicate
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Who cares?

Just curious which ones a legit big time sports bettors vs the ones pumped up by social media.

So posting on a message board is suppose to answer that question?

So where should a noob to sports betting ask this question? isn't it a sports betting forum?

in the world of Forex trading they have a cool site called , myfxbook

People link that to their trading accounts with "an investor password", tracking all buy sell activity and you can see the balance / equity etc etc.


Would be helpful if there was some kind of similar service for sports betting, then there is no mistaking who is who as you can see clearly all trades, profit loss,

Or maybe that already exists?

I'm not sure who'd want to be part of that though: actual winners wouldn't have any reason to take part, and touts wouldn't want to do it because it'd prove they're not really winners

Yes and it is a fine question to ask.

Billy Walters was generally considered the top dog I think, but he went to jail for some bull**** insider trading stuff with Phil Mickelson.

Harablos Volgarious, aka H-Bob, is widely considered the best guy now, but there is much debate about the true source of his income. Some say he was just a bookie. Some say he was the best NBA totals bettor ever. I think the truth probably lies somewhere in between. I sure would love to see a big bet between him and whoever doubts him though, as I generally find both parties to be insufferable.

There was a guy in here back in the day called rsigly who claimed to be a millionaire bettor and built a huge wax musuem in a bunker with a movie theater or something. He was weird. He invented the salad pill too.

Kelly in Vegas is an NFL betting expert. Everyone should buy her picks and her advice is great too. Love when she buy half points on college football totals to grab that ever important hook in the 50's.

Steve Stevens claims to hit 70% and I believe him. If you cant trust a guy named Steve Stevens who wears sunglasses in side, who can you trust?

"vegas dave" is another super star sports bettor. Sure, the haters will point out his photo shopping of tickets to make them look bigger and the fact that he only posts winners after the fact, but with a name like "vegas dave", whats not to like!?

And of course you have your random internet message board slob around here wholl undoubtably claim to be better than all of these guys. Dont buy it for a second.

Oh and my word - how did I almost forget easily the best NHL bettor this side of the mississippi? PROFFESOR ED!! A true genius. A god among men. A visionary, ed's vision is scary. Seriously, look him up on here and PM him questions about his system. He'll be more than happy to answer and questions you may have

So basically the big name social media players aren't? while the legit players are not really known by the public media?

yea and youre gonna be pissed when you find out the truth about santa

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Seriously? No way are either remotely close as being the top sportsbettors in the world. To see the two mentioned brought a chuckle.

The people that are at the top aren't known. They don't want to be known, would you?

Billy Walters was known because he let it be known and his runners let it be known. Once that cat was out of the bag he was hounded not only by the government but by every two bit gambler that needed a winner.

You always heard about his wins but never about his losses. The same goes for most touts as well unless they are transparent.

To answer the OP's question would be just pure speculation at this point, you can list yourself as the best if you wanted because no one would know any different.

Fair enough .

Tony Bloom and Starlizard appear to be the end bosses of soccer.

Obviously Billy Walters did well for himself too except for the whole insider trading thing.

At the end of the day it's hard to know it's not like it's in most of the big winners interests to publicise exactly how much they make

Is Vegas Dave really a winner? I wonder why he tries to sell his picks so hard if he has won that much money off sports betting.

He's a complete and utter fraud. I think he recently lost his home and was also arrested .

lol RAS

What problems do u have with RightAngle Sports? They win .

RAS is fine. There was some weird thing that happened to them while back. Something about them releasing their plays early to a very very select few which would obviously hurt your chances of getting the best line. Also had something to do with a convicted bank robber if I remember right. I think RAS Ed was selling his picks to said bank robber a few minutes before release, and the bank robber started selling them himself? Something like that. Ed has owned up to it and didnt seem to think it was a big deal. Depends how you look at it. I can see both sides; on one hand its technically stealing. You dont pay all that money for a service expecting that the plays are secretly getting released right before you get them. So he was I guess stealing a tiny bit of EV from everyone every release.

On the other hand, that EV that hes "stealing" was only there in the first place because of him. And RAS certainly does win. Theyre expensive and getting down at their number is almost impossible, but they do beat the close and they do win and they keep really good records, as far as I can tell. Someone might point out a record keeping error here and there over like a 6 year period, but overall I would say theyre an honest and up front operation. I can certainly see the other side of the argument though, what with the bank robbing stuff and such.

You can do a lot worse than RAS if youre going to pay for picks anyway, but I dont think anyone should pay for picks in the first place.

First, Ras doesn't bet anything on his picks. If he bets its few hundred dollars. Two, he is a tout who sells his picks. He had one decent year many ears ago but since then he has been ****. His records are padded with worthless second half bets and totals where the limit is around $500 or less even in big books like pinnacle. This guy picks before the market settles and when the limit is around $500 and still struggles to win. He is more of a marketer than handicapper. Beating college basketball and football in small conference, small market game is not that hard yet he still needs to pad them with unbettable 2nd half bets and totals. He never picks on larger markets with big limits, so putting him in the list of biggest bettors is a joke. He did a good job marketing just like that scammer vegas dave going on few low level affiliate tv of espn, nbc to get exposure and people fall for it. Don't pay for picks. There are so many free sources out there if you do you do your research. But if you must pay, stick to services like Bettingresource that picks on games once the market is established on big market games with high limits. Bettingresource's free facebook picks has much better yield than RAS's free picks over the last 2 years and these picks are on large and established markets where followers can get the posted line without a problem.

The world would be a better place if your dad had just pulled out .

What about sites like this where they track multiple handicappers? Are they considered big players? http://professionalsportspicks.com/

[QUOTE=owster;52412294]What about sites like this where they track multiple handicappers? Are they considered big players? /QUOTE]

No. Typically a site like that is paid by the touts to track them and track them favorably. It's called marketing and a way to get your unknown tout service out there.

These type of sites don't do this for free, think about it. The forum I do work for actually keeps track of numerous well known touts based on their big play releases. You'll find the majority of them are in the negative.

As stated earlier the best are unknown and want to stay that way. There isn't a reason for them to tout either. Quietly under the radar winning chunks of money and staying that way.