i like this

You left out some of the best stuff though, my personal favorite lately are the ones selling their action on the live mtt circuit at lol-high markup when they're still basing some/all of their EV on said poker boom results and/or a limited sample size...or better (worse?) yet using their total gross cash amount like it means something.

There's some hope for them though, since its looking like the stance on the wire act has flipped yet again and multi-state player pools are back on the table. Hard to rule out another poker boom in the coming years.

Waiting for the next poker room is like waiting for the next bowling boom.

one thing that took me by surprise in my travels among the advantage gambling crowd is how ****ing dumb almost all poker players are.

Tell me about it, and imagine having to surround yourself with those tards & douchebags for several hours a day. (Or maybe I'm one of the tards you're referring to, who knows lol.) I try not to think that way about people but some days it's hard. If only online poker were as soft as live.

Sometimes I consider getting a real job for that reason. For instance if I became a coder I'd be collaborating with fellow geeks. But then I'd be trading away my freedom.

I doubt it's unique to the poker crowd though. I never cease to be amazed by the dumb things rec table game players say.

I'm about to come up with a sports model or two and then hopefully I won't need poker as much. Not getting my hopes up though, because it sounds like the potential edge keeps shrinking.

i listened to ed miller on the gambling with an edge podcost. it's a podcast primarily focused on casino AP. holy **** man the hosts may be experts on casino AP but they knew nothing about sports betting. i sort of pride myself on knowing at least a little bit about all forms of advantage gambling so it was just like CMON MAN is sports betting that difficult to understand or are other gamblers that myopic? glad we all agree poker players are the WOAT gamblers.

Just sit at any 2-5nl table and watch them call you down with T9o midpair no kicker on 3 streets.

isn't that GTO though

because you are setting them up to win a $5 pot down the road

Isn't that the point though? I mean due to rake and all, only a few % are actually profitable by any meaningful margin.

Same with sports. But id say the average winning sports bettor is way smarter than the avg winning poker player

The 5% vig does weed out most of the morons. Lack of impulse controls gets most of the rest along with poor BR mgmt.

99% think they can beat odds. Most are fools who you have to just nod and agree when they talk about how beat sports betting. If you tried to tell them odds you would go insane.

Human evolution should have a built in idiot self destruct
So when these people who think we never landed on moon , 911 was planned by government and alien bs oh and punter who think they can beat odds and they have every excuse ready when you say anything sane to them.

I have become a grumpy old man as you only have speak to there offsprings and see a mini self of lI want , I have more and am right your wrong to think FML.
. When really you are thinking you dumb arsr your a mug and your ego is to big were you can't admit your a punter..

I hate when people throw in aliens with whacky conspiracy theories. There are definitely aliens out there and theyve probably been to earth already

Love this quote. Is there any other endeavor in which people smart enough to learn casino AP then must grind through such a mind-numbing activity? Respect and sympathy for our brothers in casino AP.

Though I have enjoyed the discussion, lots of circle-jerking itt and I don't at all get looking down on poker players. There are much fewer winners in sports betting vs. poker and it's easier to bet sports for less work. 70% losers, 30% winners in poker, so naturally you have a very diverse population of winners and many of them only just barely beat the rake so yes, they are stupid af. But the very best, young internet grinding pros of the 2000's are autism-savant level gifted at cards and life. Think Stu Ungar.

We're in the sports subforum here so I'm surprised more not at the bias against poker players but by the myopia of throwing beats on poker players on a poker forum made by gamblers who would no doubt have fallen into the category of "pro poker player" before becoming publishers.

'Gifted at life...think Stu Ungar.'

Troll of the Week post, congratulations you got my vote buddy.

If I had to play poker for a living I'd kill myself almost as fast as he did.

Sure. Good thing his main game wasn't poker. If it suits you better, think Gus Hansen, Tom Dwan, or isildur1. Way smarter, cooler, and wealthier dudes than, say, Vegas Dave.

Most internet pro poker players are indeed autism-tier at life, I'll give you that.

Is it Dwan or isildur that disappeared in a Chinese opium den somewhere and owes people millions of dollars? Or both? Can never keep track of all the formerly famous poker players who turn out to be deadbeats and owe everybody money.

Sure bud.

70/30 winner/loser split in poker? Where do you get that?

At first I resented the implication by BOLplayer but after some reflection it's a good reminder that we ain't curing cancer here. We're loser in life gamblers who contribute little to the world and have no right to look down upon others.

I could be wrong here of course but Ive always viewed advantage sports betting as better for society than poker.If you think about the way money moves in the sports market, money largely goes from poor people to rich people. Sharps put a dent in this flow. Every dollar ive won on sports and spent out to dinner or on trucks and motorcycles is a dollar that went to someone other than a rich sports book owner or some mansion in Aruba. In poker youre pretty much taking money from poor people (possibly less directly) and giving a cut to casinos/giant online sites.

But either way, its just a general observation. And its not like Im talking out of my ass. I started with poker and used to play decent sized games for more than a decade. Full time in Vegas for a while and plenty of time in CA and all over the East Coast. Ive known lots and lots of winning poker players and even more winning sports bettors, and in my experience the sports bettors seem on average like twice as smart as the poker players. Perhaps its just because its easier to look like a winning poker player for a little while. But it does seem to be the overwhelming opinion of most sharps Ive talked to and I think the explosion of poker training sites and books is evidence of that. You guys just torpedoed your own industry

Stuey Ungar Winning at Gin & Life Research Corp

Well that’s true but I don’t think anybody goes to their financial job, tech job, or whatever job feeling complete satisfaction that they’re contributing that line of work to the world. It is simply a satisfactory way to pay the bills and collaborate with people.

Yes poker players are naive and annoying any time they come into a sports betting forum. So be it. They mean well and are fun to laugh at

No, we provide value through not just entertainment but also as speculators (a valuable contribution to the economy).

But thanks TomG, I respect you.