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Two team teaser that if one side pushes on pays as a push even if over side loses? Two team teaser that if one side pushes on pays as a push even if over side loses?

09-18-2020 , 07:02 PM
* ugh Title should say other, not over, mods plx fix if possible *

As far as I know this is not a normal thing for 2 team teaser.

Everything I've always seen has been if you have a 2 team teaser, and one side pushes and one side loses, then of course you lose the bet. If one side won and one side pushed, you would push the bet. (unless you paid extra vig like at 5dimes to have ties be wins, then you would win)

However this bookmaker I'm looking at states both in their wagering rules and confirmed by 2 support reps, that for ONLY 2 TEAM TEASERS: if one side pushes then the entire bet pushes regardless of whether or not the other side won or lost.

Now obviously this is just free EV (as far as I can tell) it takes some small% of lost bets in the long haul and turns them into pushes.

Their payouts are fairly industry standard -130 for 2 team 6.5point (for NFL) tease, -120 for 6 point, etc, not quite as good as like 5dimes I think but pretty much standard.

My question is , is this enough extra juice to swing teasers into being + EV? Or is this just such a tiny little extra edge for the player that isn't enough to make a difference. Feel like I need wizard of odds to crunch the numbers lol.

Also the weird thing is, this isn't like some special promotion they advertise or promote based off, its just buried in their teaser rules on their website.
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09-19-2020 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDanimal
if one side pushes then the entire bet pushes regardless of whether or not the other side won or lost.

Now obviously this is just free EV (as far as I can tell) it takes some small% of lost bets in the long haul and turns them into pushes.
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09-19-2020 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by smartDFS

What do you mean? let's compare possible outcomes where you push a side of a teaser. We'll call the side that one push = bet is push regardless of other side winning or losing, Bookie X, and we'll call the way a normal bookie would handle these bets as "generic bookie".

Generic Bookie:

One side of your teaser is a push, and the other side loses = you lose the bet.

One side of your teaser is a push, and the other side wins = you push the bet.

These are literally the only two options (outside of paying a high extra vig to turn ties into win, which is not the default anywhere I have ever seen, and also very rare to even find as an optional add on)

Bookie X from the OP:

One side of your teaser is a push, the other side loses = you push the bet.

One side of your teaser is a push, the other side wins = you push the bet.

Again these are literally the only two outcomes for a two team teaser, with one side pushing. So all we are doing by using Bookie X is taking some small % of potential losses and turning them into pushes. So I fail to see how this is not simply free EV? (it may not be enough extra EV to push some 2 team teasers into +EV in the long run, which is what I am inquiring about)

But if you're saying its not "free" EV, please elaborate.

Last edited by DrDanimal; 09-19-2020 at 03:33 PM.
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09-20-2020 , 12:31 PM
"if one side pushes then the entire bet pushes regardless of whether or not the other side won or lost "
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09-20-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bjornb
"if one side pushes then the entire bet pushes regardless of whether or not the other side won or lost "
Normally you need the other side of a 2 team teaser to win in order to get a push. So including a loss getting you to a push in this should be beneficial to the better.

I feel like I'm going crazy here, do you guys not know how teasers work? Read the post above yours. If you disagree please provide an example of why my math/examples are wrong.
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09-22-2020 , 04:55 AM
you're right. i was thinking ties reduce but doesnt make sense in a 2teamer. i must have been really excited to use a rafiki gif. sorry.

anyway you're only going to turn the losing bet into a push 1% of the time, so it's likely not worth the -120 juice unless they're giving good lines and not shading
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