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Old 02-24-2018, 12:21 PM   #26
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Re: Serious Issue/Borderline Cheating with Bovada Live Betting

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Face more post should be like mind at not the boredom drizzle I read in most threads , itty bitty bit on nonsense is needed....
I think I can actually translate this:

"face it, more posts should be like mine and not the boring drivel I read in most threads. Little bit of fun is needed"

If more posts were like yours this forum would be dead in a day. Honest question; did you finish high school? Is english not your first language?
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Old 05-08-2018, 04:12 PM   #27
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Somewhat sorry for bumping an old thread, but I thoroughly enjoyed the misunderstanding of the Blood Diamond reference.

My reason for posting though is I don't think we can reiterate strongly enough how awful Bovada's unethical practices are. What adds to their disgrace is how they not only do not publish how these practices are part of their business model or TOS, but they deny and deflect any time someone points out they deal dual lines or delay in-running wagers to their favor.

"Dual lines" hasn't been clearly defined ITT, so I'll take a moment to explain it to those of whom may be unfamiliar. Let's say in an NBA game the favorite is -4 virtually everywhere including competing major offshores. At Bovada if you are a brand new account (or have a history of losing in other sports with little or no NBA action), you will see -5 (and dog +5). At the exact same time someone who has proved him/herself to be a bettor of average competency will be shown -4. When called out on this, Bovada reps will ask, "Where do you see this? What's the e-mail address of the other account you're referencing? That line service you mention (read: SBR) is not instant or accurate... on and on to protect themselves from admitting they deal dual lines.

The best way to play Bovada in my book is to take advantage of new account bonuses and dual lines (where the favorites are shaded) by betting underdogs and then QUIT. No matter casual gambler or sharp, Bovada does not deserve your business.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:51 AM   #28
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nothing wrong with dual lines
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:53 AM   #29
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"Dual lines" hasn't been clearly defined ITT, so I'll take a moment to explain it to those of whom may be unfamiliar.
What bothers me more than their dual lines and live-bet free-rolling is when people misuse whom in an effort to sound smart. You will explain it to those who may be unfamiliar. It's the subject of the clause may be unfamiliar.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:50 AM   #30
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now heres a dude who knows how to have a good time
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Old 05-09-2018, 05:10 PM   #31
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now heres a dude who knows how to have a good time
Thank you.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:50 PM   #32
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"Dual lines" hasn't been clearly defined ITT, so I'll take a moment to explain it to those of whom may be unfamiliar. Let's say in an NBA game the favorite is -4 virtually everywhere including competing major offshores. At Bovada if you are a brand new account (or have a history of losing in other sports with little or no NBA action), you will see -5 (and dog +5). At the exact same time someone who has proved him/herself to be a bettor of average competency will be shown -4. When called out on this, Bovada reps will ask, "Where do you see this? What's the e-mail address of the other account you're referencing? That line service you mention (read: SBR) is not instant or accurate... on and on to protect themselves from admitting they deal dual lines.
Assuming they do this, wouldn't that be an advantage for the bettor, who could bet at Bovada if he likes the dog and get 5 points, but if he likes the favorite, can use another site and only have to lay 4 points?
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Old 05-10-2018, 04:40 PM   #33
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This is only for live betting. I'll provide an example, but a summary would be this: During live betting, while your wager is "processing", if there's a line change during that time, your wager is either accepted or declined based on which way the line moved. I'm fine with all bets being either accepted or declined in the event of a line change, but it's not okay to accept or decline based on which way the line moves
I don't think this is true.

I have made many live bets on Bovada that were declined during processing because the odds moved up as well as down.

From my experience, a bet will be declined if the odds change either way during those few seconds..
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:15 AM   #34
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Assuming they do this, wouldn't that be an advantage for the bettor, who could bet at Bovada if he likes the dog and get 5 points, but if he likes the favorite, can use another site and only have to lay 4 points?
Firstly, I'm kind of surprised by the defense of dealing dual lines. To answer your question, this is only something you can do for about a week or two before Bovada flips the switch on you and you go back to seeing the common lines.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:19 PM   #35
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Assuming they do this, wouldn't that be an advantage for the bettor, who could bet at Bovada if he likes the dog and get 5 points, but if he likes the favorite, can use another site and only have to lay 4 points?
Yea its awesome for about 3 days.

I think 90% of their customers are betting like 10, 20 dollar, 10 team parlays. So when one guys bets 500 or 1000 on a dog getting an extra point or two, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Old 05-13-2018, 09:51 PM   #36
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Firstly, I'm kind of surprised by the defense of dealing dual lines. To answer your question, this is only something you can do for about a week or two before Bovada flips the switch on you and you go back to seeing the common lines.
Are you saying the reason dual lines are bad because they only give the bettor this advantage for a short time? I'm confused why having access to a site that lets you bet a line a point off from everywhere else would be a bad thing.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:24 PM   #37
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I'm not sure if this issue has already been addressed. I have called Bovada multiple times to speak with a supervisor, and their only response is to ask for proof. I refuse to wager any more bets on Bovada, as this issue has been confirmed at least 100 times in my experience.

This is only for live betting. I'll provide an example, but a summary would be this: During live betting, while your wager is "processing", if there's a line change during that time, your wager is either accepted or declined based on which way the line moved. I'm fine with all bets being either accepted or declined in the event of a line change, but it's not okay to accept or decline based on which way the line moves

For example, I like to do a lot of live tennis betting. The line changes literally every single point, so you can imagine how many times it changes during a match. I'll try to use simple numbers here, and this is a made up scenario. Let's say Federer is playing Cilic, and the set score is tied 1-1, and they haven't started the third set yet. Federer is currently -140 to win the match. Federer is first to serve, and I bet $100 on Federer to win the match before he serves. While the wager is processing, Federer serves an ace, and his line moves to -145 as he's slightly more likely to win now. In this scenario, without fail, my wager will be cancelled before it's processed, and I can try to bet again at -145. I actually have no problem with this. They don't want to give me -140 value for a bet that's actually -145 now. No problem.

Now let's say it's the same score as before, a set a piece, Federer is first to serve. I bet $100 on Federer to win the match at -140. As the wager is processing, Cilic hits a return winner, and the line moves to Federer -125 as he's less likely to win the match now. My wager will still get accepted, without fail, and now I have a wager at -140 when the value is actually -125. I'm fine with this too. I clicked "wager" when the bet was -140 so I get -140. Fine.

What I'm not okay with is both of these things happening. They accept my bet when my selection becomes less likely to win, but make me take the worse price (I have -140, but a fair price is -125). When my selection becomes more likely to win, they decline my bet and make me try again at a worse price. (I want -140 but they make me try again at -145)

I would finish with "does this happen to anyone else?", but I know it happens. At least 100 times it's happened to me. If my wager gets declined, I know without even looking that my selection is now a steeper price. If my wager gets accepted, I know the line either didn't move, or my selection is now less likely to win.
Two years ago, during the Masters, I bet Danny Willet live for $430 at 40-1. This was on Saturday afternoon. Shortly after placing the bet, while it was "pending," Willet made a bogey, falling to -1 and then 6 shots back. The number went to 80-1 on that bogey. The bet was immediately accepted at 40-1.

This didn't work out well for Bovada. But they tried to freeroll me. I believe your story 100%.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:02 AM   #38
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Firstly, I'm kind of surprised by the defense of dealing dual lines. To answer your question, this is only something you can do for about a week or two before Bovada flips the switch on you and you go back to seeing the common lines.
You still haven't explained why it's cheating thou..

A bookie can offer what ever line they want to whomever they want.

You're getting upset that a private company is offering different services to different clients..
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:50 PM   #39
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I think it's the cover up that bothers me most. Additionally, I do not agree that offering whatever line a book wants and offering two different lines concurrently are the same thing.

If you go to the counter at a brick and mortar book like in Vegas or the Caribbean islands, they are bound by the posted odds that they present to all customers at the same time. They may say you can only bet $100, then we are moving the line. That's common practice. However in no betting establishment (including the most reputable online books) would a ticket writer say, "For you Joe, the Dallas / Packers game is 5. For you ma'am the line is 6."

This is the difference between betting with a random who takes $50 bets at your local bar and a professional sports book. Dual lines are illegal in Nevada, and I've never seen Pinnacle, 5Dimes, or BetOnline do it.

Yes, I'm happy to take advantage of skewed lines for the short while they're offered, but I don't appreciate a large, professional book like Bovada treating their customers for fools. At the very least Bovada should post that they deal dual lines in their ToS.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:19 PM   #40
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Bovada is famous for this. But what do you want to happen? Them to stop free rolling you? I want to give J-Lo a facial. I think we're about even odds as which one will happen first.

This stuff happens all the time with live betting, and honestly, how can you expect it not to? It sucks but until betting is regulated and/or there is some solution like all bets must be accepted or rejected in a 5 second window or something, youll always have this problem. If a book can make money by simply waiting a few extra seconds to click a button, theyre probably going to. If you keep live betting in spite of it, it only encourages the practice.
I think it'd feel a lot better to bust inside of J-Lo.
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Old 06-02-2018, 11:21 PM   #41
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I think it's the cover up that bothers me most. Additionally, I do not agree that offering whatever line a book wants and offering two different lines concurrently are the same thing.

If you go to the counter at a brick and mortar book like in Vegas or the Caribbean islands, they are bound by the posted odds that they present to all customers at the same time. They may say you can only bet $100, then we are moving the line. That's common practice. However in no betting establishment (including the most reputable online books) would a ticket writer say, "For you Joe, the Dallas / Packers game is 5. For you ma'am the line is 6."

This is the difference between betting with a random who takes $50 bets at your local bar and a professional sports book. Dual lines are illegal in Nevada, and I've never seen Pinnacle, 5Dimes, or BetOnline do it.

Yes, I'm happy to take advantage of skewed lines for the short while they're offered, but I don't appreciate a large, professional book like Bovada treating their customers for fools. At the very least Bovada should post that they deal dual lines in their ToS.
Everyone on earth knows that they do this. Some coverup.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:45 PM   #42
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I think it'd feel a lot better to bust inside of J-Lo.
I know what you mean but honestly, if given the choice, I think Id still go with facial. Inside would "feel" better, sure, but the image of a J-Lo facial would stay with you forever. Long after the inside-nut endorphins have faded
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:20 AM   #43
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jlo is a 48 y/o glowless hag

she aint ****
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