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Originally Posted by Thebookiesmate
Hi,
first time poster but regular browser and thought maybe one of you more experienced sports bettors could help me out.
I took 16/1 on a game of football a few weeks back and today just before the game kicked off I layed my stake back at the sp of 7/1, I cant help but feel regardless of result (draw) this was the wrong move as i'm just giving some value back.
Interested to hear any feedback as want to learn so I know for the future.
Thanks
Situations like this I always try to find a +EV wager on the other side. Anytime you make a -EV wager, youre costing yourself money. That doesn't mean you should never hedge, obviously, but just realize that by doing so you are giving up money. But what you give up in -EV you hopefully make up for in EG (expected growth). It can make sense to buy back positions at slightly -EV numbers.
Something that I like to do or at least used to do sort of often is pre plan what I call "half scalps." Say you want to bet 2% of your roll on something that you know is a great bet; either an off market rouge line or chasing steam at a slow book or whatever. Say your 2% bet is 300 dollars but the max bet is 1k. Sure, you could just bet your 300 dollars and lock in a +EV wager. Youd have done fine. But you can do better. It takes a little bit of nerve, especially when youre starting out, but the better move is to bet the max on the good number and buy back the difference on the other side. For example:
The pats are playing the jets. The pats are -6.5 favorites. Your boston area local always juices up the local team and has the pats at -7.5. His max bet is 1k and you want 2% of your roll, or 300 dollars on jets +7.5. Bet 1000 on jets +7.5 instead of 300. Then bet to win 700 on pats -6.5 (or pats money line, or tease the pats, etc. Whichever is the best bet.) So you have 1870 "at risk" (assuming everything is -110) but really only are risking 300 bucks. Bonus points if you find a +EV wager on the pats and extra bonus points if you hit the middle.
So you see, the most +EV thing you could have done is bet the max on jets +7.5 and leave it alone. And after a while thats what you will be doing. But EV isn't everything. You have to consider EG. So you think to yourself ok Ill just bet 300 on the jets. Like I said earlier, that would be fine but it isnt optimal. If the line you like really is that far off, you want to ****ing HAMMER it. Don't worry about the buy back. Plenty of places out there will be happy to take your pats -6.5 bet.
You can now see the importance of having multiple books and being able to bet on credit. This is where the people skill side of all this comes into play. Hustle for new accounts all the time and take advantage of losing weeks. Whenever you have a big losing week and pay up no problem, the agent or the bookie is going to be surprised and happy. So many people out there bet what they can't pay and either stiff and disapear or, more likely, work out some god awful payment plan where they pay the guy 100 bucks a week for like a year straight. By paying right up no problem, he might think youre a whale. That is when you hit him up for a credit increase or a max bet increase or even, if hes real stupid, a percentage back on your losing weeks. I once got a guy to give me 20% back on my losses every week after a 3 week losing stretch. (I eventually beat him so bad and buried him in so much make up that he quit being an agent altogether.)
Locals are ******ED. Like even moreso than youd think. If youre at all comfortable with meeting shady guys in bars and parking lots and exchanging large amounts of cash, you should have as many of these guys as possible in rotation. Then when the agents see you win you turn them dirty and have them start working for you. But this is all another subject.